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England, what's with the clown show you've got going on at your unis? First the naked Brexit lady now this guy. 1) subsistence agrarian lifestyles were not bet
by huffmsa 8y ago
England, what's with the clown show you've got going on at your unis? First the naked Brexit lady now this guy.
1) subsistence agrarian lifestyles were not better than our industrialized world. If Mr Hickel disagrees, he should lay down the pen and pick up the plow.
2) decreased child mortality and increased lifespans (thanks industrialized medicine!) means more people alive but not necessarily economically useful => lower GDP/head. Stop having babies you can't afford. This leads to a longer debate about the issues with food aid both raising subsistence levels and pricing out local farmers.
3) China, Singapore, Vietnam, etc saw huge improvement because they went balls to the walls with the forced industrialization this quack said was the problem.
4) Income inequality increasing doesn't matter because the the entry price for modern technology is decreasing faster than income inequality is increasing.
This guy's a keyboard warrior who's never been in the field and shouldn't have cost my 5 minutes to read.
- huffmsa 8y agoIt appears that his keyboard warrior friends have found this comment. Down votes should really require an explanation.
- benj111 8y agoAgreed, but maybe people were put off by your opening racist? Insult, and needless reference to Brexit. I've responded to your first point, I don't agree with any of your other points either.
- huffmsa 8y agoI'm used to a hot opener making people engage the rest of the points. Real life (debates in pubs) doesn't have an "I find this disagreeable" button.
- flippin-burgers 8y agoThis isn't a pub, and if you're "used to a hot opener" then surely you're used to people seeing you as a jerk for persistently making provocative and racist remarks.
- huffmsa 8y agoEnglish isn't a race, buddy. If you're going to insist that I'm an "-ist" at least be correct.
- benj111 8y agoWhat's England got to do with this, and who's the naked Brexit lady? He isn't saying agrarian is better than industrialised. He's saying industrialisation was forced on them by colonialisation. Read about the Congo free state for example [1]. Also. The early stages of industrialisation aren't particularly good for a nations poorest, Britain's industrial revolution was not a land of plenty for the poor, they just went from being poor farm hands, to poor factory workers. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State
- huffmsa 8y ago> They had little if any money, but then they didn’t need it in order to live well – so it makes little sense to claim that they were poor. His argument is that you can't be poor if you don't have a concept of money, like in an agrarian society. You overlooked it because your brain knows it's not true. Quality of life is not a dollar amount. It's all of those graphs Gates shared. Not just the first one.
- almost_usual 8y agoIf quality of life isn’t a dollar amount then why aren’t more people comfortable distributing dollars amongst the public?
- huffmsa 8y agoI'll rephrase. It's not purely a dollar amount. It's what's available for you to do and buy with those dollars. Eventually we will just give everyone dollars. I firmly believe Pixar's WALL-E is our Marxist ideal future. But we're not there yet. Need better robots.
- benj111 8y ago$1 a day if you're a factory worker needs to pay your rent, and your food, and your fuel, then your support network has gone, so grandparents cant look after kids etc, etc. $1 a day for a farmer means they don't have those costs. Social networks are still in place, etc, etc. As you say, Quality of life is not a dollar amount.