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I don’t know what it means for America, but what it apparently means for China is no more Chinese villains in films for an international audience

jeffdavis 8y ago
Do you have evidence of this?
- theNJR 8y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-movies.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/ch...
  - actuator 8y ago
    Hey, thanks for that. It was certainly an interesting read and scary. It is scary to think that if this continues there will be people outside China who would have never heard of Cultural Revolution, Famine under Mao, Uighur "re-education" camps, Tibet etc.
    - echevil 8y ago
      People inside China also heard all of those things, just with different perspectives.
throwaway46e21 8y ago
Honestly, as an Asian American, I actually prefer the villain characters as opposed to the new “sidekick/background” character trope. Hollywood writers and producers still know how to marginalize these new Chinese characters and unfortunately, it seems the Chinese audience is still naive to it. At least the villains had agency. These new Chinese sidekicks only purpose is to serve the “American” hero.
- echevil 8y ago
  "Wandering earth" is wildly popular right now. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7605074/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7605074/ Time to watch some Chinese Sci-Fi instead, with Chinese hero and Russian sidekick
  - geoah 8y ago
    Holy.... I didn't know they made this into a movie, thank you. I knew a three body problem movie was in the making but not this!!!
- peteretep 8y ago
  As a British person, I'm mildly annoyed that British villains (and there are many in films) are generally characterized as incompetent or effete idiots. At least the evil Russians and Chinese in films get to be evil masterminds!
- pwaai 8y ago
  Same here, there is systematic and institutionalized racism in Hollywood, I'm glad China is making their moves in Hollywood, maybe we will see more Korean and Chinese celebrities appearing in these films. Interesting since the first Japanese male actor was a sensation amongst white women of the early 1900s silent film era, and thus Asian Americans were erased from mainstream films. The more I study American history, the Japanese interment camps, the racist treatment of Asian Americans, the genocide against 50+ million Native Americans, Opium war, Boxer rebellion, vietnam war, hiroshima, the more I'm convinced that Nazi's escaped and helped build the Reich that they could've had in a far away new land.
  - peteretep 8y ago
    > since the first Japanese male actor was a sensation amongst white women ... Asian Americans were erased from mainstream films Where r/conspiracy and r/redpill meet... Presumably you're talking about Sessue Hayakawa, and the same nonsense appears on his Wikipedia page, supported by citations that don't actually support the assertions. > The more I study American history, the Japanese interment camps, the racist treatment of Asian Americans, the genocide against 50+ million Native Americans, Opium war, Boxer rebellion, vietnam war, hiroshima I would recommend studying some Chinese or Japanese history too if you think American historical behaviour is in any way particularly notable, other than an unusual willingness for Americans to want to atone to it, compared to most other countries. > I'm convinced that Nazi's escaped and helped build the Reich that they could've had You appear to believe the Nazis were time-travelers, or simply have a particularly weak understanding of the chronology of the items you've listed.
colanderman 8y ago
Or references to the sovereign nation of Taiwan, or the Dalai Lama or Tibet. Allowing such an oppressive government to control so much of our cultural mindspace is quite chilling.
- baby 8y ago
  because you think the US mindset is not controlling a major number of movies? Have you watched American Sniper?
  - actuator 8y ago
    And it does work. Just look at who the French public thinks won them World War 2. Over the years it has shifted drastically in US's favour(1) which I think is probably because of some excellent content from Hollywood, which tells their story really well. [1] https://www.les-crises.fr/la-fabrique-du-cretin-defaite-nazis/ https://www.les-crises.fr/la-fabrique-du-cretin-defaite-nazi...
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  - peteretep 8y ago
    I think American Sniper is pandering to American audiences by film studios trying to make commercial decisions, and not the US government putting their thumb on the scales to appeal to foreign audiences.

jeffdavis 8y ago

Do you have evidence of this?

theNJR 8y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-movies.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/ch...
- actuator 8y ago
  Hey, thanks for that. It was certainly an interesting read and scary. It is scary to think that if this continues there will be people outside China who would have never heard of Cultural Revolution, Famine under Mao, Uighur "re-education" camps, Tibet etc.
  - echevil 8y ago
    People inside China also heard all of those things, just with different perspectives.

throwaway46e21 8y ago

Honestly, as an Asian American, I actually prefer the villain characters as opposed to the new “sidekick/background” character trope. Hollywood writers and producers still know how to marginalize these new Chinese characters and unfortunately, it seems the Chinese audience is still naive to it. At least the villains had agency. These new Chinese sidekicks only purpose is to serve the “American” hero.

echevil 8y ago
"Wandering earth" is wildly popular right now. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7605074/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7605074/ Time to watch some Chinese Sci-Fi instead, with Chinese hero and Russian sidekick
- geoah 8y ago
  Holy.... I didn't know they made this into a movie, thank you. I knew a three body problem movie was in the making but not this!!!
peteretep 8y ago
As a British person, I'm mildly annoyed that British villains (and there are many in films) are generally characterized as incompetent or effete idiots. At least the evil Russians and Chinese in films get to be evil masterminds!
pwaai 8y ago
Same here, there is systematic and institutionalized racism in Hollywood, I'm glad China is making their moves in Hollywood, maybe we will see more Korean and Chinese celebrities appearing in these films. Interesting since the first Japanese male actor was a sensation amongst white women of the early 1900s silent film era, and thus Asian Americans were erased from mainstream films. The more I study American history, the Japanese interment camps, the racist treatment of Asian Americans, the genocide against 50+ million Native Americans, Opium war, Boxer rebellion, vietnam war, hiroshima, the more I'm convinced that Nazi's escaped and helped build the Reich that they could've had in a far away new land.
- peteretep 8y ago
  > since the first Japanese male actor was a sensation amongst white women ... Asian Americans were erased from mainstream films Where r/conspiracy and r/redpill meet... Presumably you're talking about Sessue Hayakawa, and the same nonsense appears on his Wikipedia page, supported by citations that don't actually support the assertions. > The more I study American history, the Japanese interment camps, the racist treatment of Asian Americans, the genocide against 50+ million Native Americans, Opium war, Boxer rebellion, vietnam war, hiroshima I would recommend studying some Chinese or Japanese history too if you think American historical behaviour is in any way particularly notable, other than an unusual willingness for Americans to want to atone to it, compared to most other countries. > I'm convinced that Nazi's escaped and helped build the Reich that they could've had You appear to believe the Nazis were time-travelers, or simply have a particularly weak understanding of the chronology of the items you've listed.

colanderman 8y ago

Or references to the sovereign nation of Taiwan, or the Dalai Lama or Tibet. Allowing such an oppressive government to control so much of our cultural mindspace is quite chilling.

baby 8y ago
because you think the US mindset is not controlling a major number of movies? Have you watched American Sniper?
- actuator 8y ago
  And it does work. Just look at who the French public thinks won them World War 2. Over the years it has shifted drastically in US's favour(1) which I think is probably because of some excellent content from Hollywood, which tells their story really well. [1] https://www.les-crises.fr/la-fabrique-du-cretin-defaite-nazis/ https://www.les-crises.fr/la-fabrique-du-cretin-defaite-nazi...
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- peteretep 8y ago
  I think American Sniper is pandering to American audiences by film studios trying to make commercial decisions, and not the US government putting their thumb on the scales to appeal to foreign audiences.