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You're confusing event with category. NFL and NCAA Football are different events, but the same sport. 100m and 400m races are different events, same sport.

Retric 8y ago
You play chess and checkers on the same board but they are different games. The rules are extremely different between the NFL and NCAA. People discuss the “NBA’s” 24 shot clock vs the NCAA’s more leisurely 35 seconds which among other things has a dramatic difference in how the two different games are played. Which was my original point, when the only people using a set of rules are in one org the names become interchangeable. If you never compete it’s not clear how seemingly subtle rule changes have dramic impact. This changes not only game strategy but also things like how far people travel over the course of the game. 400m at a full sprint takes real endurance where 100m is mostly about acceleration. Top athletes may have many skills that crossover to different sports, but these are very different games.
- diminoten 8y ago
  This is a dumb conversation. Basketball is basketball if there's a smaller (womens) ball or larger (mens) ball. Football is football if you touch one foot inbounds or two. You're clearly trolling, please leave me alone.
  - Retric 8y ago
    Calling something Dumb does not win an argument. Is flag football still football becase it’s got a similar name? Greco-Roman wrestling and freestyle wrestling are separated at the olimpics. Even though they share the “wrestling” tile and just have different rules. Clearly, people have different full names for the different types of football becase they are different sports. Which need somewhat different training and different reflexes.
    - diminoten 8y ago
      This isn't an argument, you are wrong on the facts. The definition of the word, in English, isn't what you say it is. It is dumb to pretend otherwise, because you are not able to communicate with others who speak English if you do. I left Reddit to avoid this kind of drivel, go back there if you want to continue to perpetrate it.
      - Retric 8y ago
        If you really believe that is true, find some actual evidence beyond gut assertions to support it. The difference between HN and Reddit is not just being polite, it’s about productive arguments backed up by evidence rather than simply relying on believing something to be true.
        diminoten 8y ago
        This isn't an argument, you are factually incorrect. You are misrepresenting the definition of "sport", and to disprove that, all anyone has to do is look up the definition of the word "sport", or have had a conversation with anyone else about sports at any point in their lifetimes. No one, and I mean literally no one, thinks of NCAA football and the NFL as two separate sports; they're both football, with different rules, a fact you already know but are refusing to acknowledge because you're trolling. Your insistence on some kind of "evidence" for what the word "sport" means is just you trying to get me to do work that you yourself could do, because that's what trolls do -- they waste the time of others for their own amusement.
        Retric 8y ago
        If you actually look up sport you end up with something like: “an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.” The first thing google returns. Which does not support your argument. Saying some arbitrary dictionary is enough is not evendence when they don’t actually say what you want. I could go off and find quotes relating to the NCAA vs professional sports saying thing a like ~”Rules define the game, different rules different games.” But doing so is a waste of time when they don’t counter an argument. As you need to be specific before I can counter or there is no way to move forward. Specific examples like the overtime rules are never going to counter your vague and baseless assertions so it’s pointless for me to keep responding to someone either trolling or just rather confused.

Retric 8y ago

You play chess and checkers on the same board but they are different games. The rules are extremely different between the NFL and NCAA. People discuss the “NBA’s” 24 shot clock vs the NCAA’s more leisurely 35 seconds which among other things has a dramatic difference in how the two different games are played. Which was my original point, when the only people using a set of rules are in one org the names become interchangeable. If you never compete it’s not clear how seemingly subtle rule changes have dramic impact. This changes not only game strategy but also things like how far people travel over the course of the game. 400m at a full sprint takes real endurance where 100m is mostly about acceleration. Top athletes may have many skills that crossover to different sports, but these are very different games.

diminoten 8y ago
This is a dumb conversation. Basketball is basketball if there's a smaller (womens) ball or larger (mens) ball. Football is football if you touch one foot inbounds or two. You're clearly trolling, please leave me alone.
- Retric 8y ago
  Calling something Dumb does not win an argument. Is flag football still football becase it’s got a similar name? Greco-Roman wrestling and freestyle wrestling are separated at the olimpics. Even though they share the “wrestling” tile and just have different rules. Clearly, people have different full names for the different types of football becase they are different sports. Which need somewhat different training and different reflexes.
  - diminoten 8y ago
    This isn't an argument, you are wrong on the facts. The definition of the word, in English, isn't what you say it is. It is dumb to pretend otherwise, because you are not able to communicate with others who speak English if you do. I left Reddit to avoid this kind of drivel, go back there if you want to continue to perpetrate it.
    - Retric 8y ago
      If you really believe that is true, find some actual evidence beyond gut assertions to support it. The difference between HN and Reddit is not just being polite, it’s about productive arguments backed up by evidence rather than simply relying on believing something to be true.
      - diminoten 8y ago
        This isn't an argument, you are factually incorrect. You are misrepresenting the definition of "sport", and to disprove that, all anyone has to do is look up the definition of the word "sport", or have had a conversation with anyone else about sports at any point in their lifetimes. No one, and I mean literally no one, thinks of NCAA football and the NFL as two separate sports; they're both football, with different rules, a fact you already know but are refusing to acknowledge because you're trolling. Your insistence on some kind of "evidence" for what the word "sport" means is just you trying to get me to do work that you yourself could do, because that's what trolls do -- they waste the time of others for their own amusement.
        Retric 8y ago
        If you actually look up sport you end up with something like: “an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.” The first thing google returns. Which does not support your argument. Saying some arbitrary dictionary is enough is not evendence when they don’t actually say what you want. I could go off and find quotes relating to the NCAA vs professional sports saying thing a like ~”Rules define the game, different rules different games.” But doing so is a waste of time when they don’t counter an argument. As you need to be specific before I can counter or there is no way to move forward. Specific examples like the overtime rules are never going to counter your vague and baseless assertions so it’s pointless for me to keep responding to someone either trolling or just rather confused.