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I have never heard about IoT Core before, only IoT enterprise and LTSC. This would actually have been an interesting choice for the project I am working on righ

I have never heard about IoT Core before, only IoT enterprise and LTSC. This would actually have been an interesting choice for the project I am working on right now. It's really infuriating how many versions MS is cranking out without clear differentiation between them and even when you talk to MS reps they know nothing about the options.

naikrovek 8y ago
IoT core is not new, not a secret, and Microsoft makes no effort to hide it. Your MS reps need to be fired if they do not know about IoT Core, or chose not to tell you. Also, I personally find it best to never rely on a rep from any company to give me the truth about their product line. I will make time to do preliminary research (at least) myself. Microsoft will ALWAYS push IoT Enterprise over IoT Core because IoT Core costs nothing, and generates no revenue for Microsoft (other than the associated Azure revenue that they hope you spend connecting those IoT Core devices to infrastructure.) All that said, I recommend looking into IoT Core if it interests you. It is very well suited for certain kinds of use cases.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  Our reps wanted to push us into enterprise. We went with LTSC against their advice because the upgrade cycle is much better. IoT Core looks interesting but I am not sure if we are ready for App Store only. Does it even support WPF or only UWP?
  - naikrovek 8y ago
    There is NO graphical Win32 stuff; UWP only. There are some non-graphical Win32 APIs but not like full Windows. It's basically .net core and UWP and all the old familiar Windows stuff is gone. IoT Core is either the best possible Windows or the worst possible Windows, depending on your point of view. For some things, it's a perfect fit. If you can't fit into a .net core & UWP ecosystem entirely then it won't be a good fit if you need a GUI.
    - maxxxxx 8y ago
      UWP is a no-go already. No way we can port our WPF code.
      - naikrovek 8y ago
        Well, UWP and WPF are close cousins, so it probably isn't as bad as one would think if they didn't know that. They're both XAML, though they are not quite the same. The main thing is that with WPF you can use the same Win32-type logic you've always been using. UWP is it's own API entirely. It's not all that different, but it is different. Things are organized better and APIs make more sense in UWP-land to me. So the gui would probably port over relatively easily. The application logic probably wouldn't.
        maxxxxx 8y ago
        The GUI would be the easy part but our applications have a lot of background logic. Going to UWP would be almost a complete rewrite without actually improving anything. From what I have seen so far UWP is just different but not really better than WPF.
        naikrovek 8y ago
        Can't argue with any of that. Presumably, at some point in the future UWP support will extend beyond WPF's support window, and right now they are both supported, so it would be silly to switch solely for the sake of making IoT Core a viable deployment platform for you.

naikrovek 8y ago

IoT core is not new, not a secret, and Microsoft makes no effort to hide it. Your MS reps need to be fired if they do not know about IoT Core, or chose not to tell you. Also, I personally find it best to never rely on a rep from any company to give me the truth about their product line. I will make time to do preliminary research (at least) myself. Microsoft will ALWAYS push IoT Enterprise over IoT Core because IoT Core costs nothing, and generates no revenue for Microsoft (other than the associated Azure revenue that they hope you spend connecting those IoT Core devices to infrastructure.) All that said, I recommend looking into IoT Core if it interests you. It is very well suited for certain kinds of use cases.

maxxxxx 8y ago
Our reps wanted to push us into enterprise. We went with LTSC against their advice because the upgrade cycle is much better. IoT Core looks interesting but I am not sure if we are ready for App Store only. Does it even support WPF or only UWP?
- naikrovek 8y ago
  There is NO graphical Win32 stuff; UWP only. There are some non-graphical Win32 APIs but not like full Windows. It's basically .net core and UWP and all the old familiar Windows stuff is gone. IoT Core is either the best possible Windows or the worst possible Windows, depending on your point of view. For some things, it's a perfect fit. If you can't fit into a .net core & UWP ecosystem entirely then it won't be a good fit if you need a GUI.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    UWP is a no-go already. No way we can port our WPF code.
    - naikrovek 8y ago
      Well, UWP and WPF are close cousins, so it probably isn't as bad as one would think if they didn't know that. They're both XAML, though they are not quite the same. The main thing is that with WPF you can use the same Win32-type logic you've always been using. UWP is it's own API entirely. It's not all that different, but it is different. Things are organized better and APIs make more sense in UWP-land to me. So the gui would probably port over relatively easily. The application logic probably wouldn't.
      - maxxxxx 8y ago
        The GUI would be the easy part but our applications have a lot of background logic. Going to UWP would be almost a complete rewrite without actually improving anything. From what I have seen so far UWP is just different but not really better than WPF.
        naikrovek 8y ago
        Can't argue with any of that. Presumably, at some point in the future UWP support will extend beyond WPF's support window, and right now they are both supported, so it would be silly to switch solely for the sake of making IoT Core a viable deployment platform for you.