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I currently have Fastmail with a catch-all so I can give out a unique address to every company, but before that I was looking for services like this. This looks

I currently have Fastmail with a catch-all so I can give out a unique address to every company, but before that I was looking for services like this. This looks really interesting, congratulations on launching! Could you add a few screenshots of the application that I can view before signing up? I'm also a bit confused about the term "keyword" which is mentioned only once on the landing page and several times in the pricing page but never really explained. I assume this is the alias (e.g. hackernews@kopi.cloud)? I'm also curious about the statement "You can even reply to emails through Kopi." Is this from inside the Kopi app, or is it replying to the email in my own inbox which Kopi forwarded to me, or either?

Shorn 8y ago
Screenshots are a good idea, I'll do that. Thank you for pointing out the confusion about keywords. There's a few tutorial-style tips when you first signup that hopefully makes it obvious. But clearly I need to explain it better on the website. I've been in it too deep too long to see the obvious >.< A keyword is a unique string that you reserve when you first sign up (subscribers can reserve many keywords under different domains). So when you sign up, you might decide on the keyword "clusmore". Once the keyword is created, you can give out addresses like "facebook-clusmore@kopi.cloud" and "ycombinator-clusmore@kopi.cloud" (you don't need to sign in to Kopi, just prefix with a "stub" to identify you you're giving the address to, add a dash to separate from your "keyword", then give that address out). As for replies, if I were to send an email to "shorn-clusmore@kopi.cloud", it would end up in your real inbox with a "reply to" email address pointing back at Kopi with a unique reply address. When you reply to that email, the message will come back to Kopi, be mapped back to the original from address, then forwarded back to the original sender. This way, you can have a whole email conversation back and forth without ever telling the other party your real address. I should point out that Kopi is just about simple privacy of your email address. It's not appropriate for dealing with actual secrets and secrecy. In general usage, you don't log in to Kopi at all. The only time you would need to use the actual Kopi interface is to block particular email addresses (e.g. you would log in to Kopi and block the "shorn-clusmore" mail mapping), enable RSS publishing, create new kewyords, change where your mail is forwarded to, etc.
- davchana 8y ago
  So it's kind of similar functionality Gmail provides with + address. Your hn-clusmore@kopi is Gmail's clusmore+hn@gmail If/when kopi becomes popular, what stops from websites just removing anything before - before saving clusmore@kopi & thus identifying, similar to what they do with Gmail plus addresses. hn-clusmore@kopi becomes clusmore@kopi. Signing up for new keyword is not like signing up for a new GMail address? Thanks
  - Shorn 8y ago
    Yes, similar to the gmail + address. If Kopi became popular enough that people found it worth doing this - I think it would be relatively easy to come up with many different approaches to prevent / mitigate this sort of thing. Different separators, passcode separators/prefixes, machine-learning based on the from / to pairings, ... all the way up to white-listing (blech). As a paid service whose continued existence depends on the customer's satisfaction - it'd be easy to justify doing any or all of those things.

Shorn 8y ago

Screenshots are a good idea, I'll do that. Thank you for pointing out the confusion about keywords. There's a few tutorial-style tips when you first signup that hopefully makes it obvious. But clearly I need to explain it better on the website. I've been in it too deep too long to see the obvious >.< A keyword is a unique string that you reserve when you first sign up (subscribers can reserve many keywords under different domains). So when you sign up, you might decide on the keyword "clusmore". Once the keyword is created, you can give out addresses like "facebook-clusmore@kopi.cloud" and "ycombinator-clusmore@kopi.cloud" (you don't need to sign in to Kopi, just prefix with a "stub" to identify you you're giving the address to, add a dash to separate from your "keyword", then give that address out). As for replies, if I were to send an email to "shorn-clusmore@kopi.cloud", it would end up in your real inbox with a "reply to" email address pointing back at Kopi with a unique reply address. When you reply to that email, the message will come back to Kopi, be mapped back to the original from address, then forwarded back to the original sender. This way, you can have a whole email conversation back and forth without ever telling the other party your real address. I should point out that Kopi is just about simple privacy of your email address. It's not appropriate for dealing with actual secrets and secrecy. In general usage, you don't log in to Kopi at all. The only time you would need to use the actual Kopi interface is to block particular email addresses (e.g. you would log in to Kopi and block the "shorn-clusmore" mail mapping), enable RSS publishing, create new kewyords, change where your mail is forwarded to, etc.

davchana 8y ago
So it's kind of similar functionality Gmail provides with + address. Your hn-clusmore@kopi is Gmail's clusmore+hn@gmail If/when kopi becomes popular, what stops from websites just removing anything before - before saving clusmore@kopi & thus identifying, similar to what they do with Gmail plus addresses. hn-clusmore@kopi becomes clusmore@kopi. Signing up for new keyword is not like signing up for a new GMail address? Thanks
- Shorn 8y ago
  Yes, similar to the gmail + address. If Kopi became popular enough that people found it worth doing this - I think it would be relatively easy to come up with many different approaches to prevent / mitigate this sort of thing. Different separators, passcode separators/prefixes, machine-learning based on the from / to pairings, ... all the way up to white-listing (blech). As a paid service whose continued existence depends on the customer's satisfaction - it'd be easy to justify doing any or all of those things.