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I don't think it's fair to use the label "pre-existing political barriers" when talking about being able to convince people that your ideas and vision are worth

by skj 8y ago

I don't think it's fair to use the label "pre-existing political barriers" when talking about being able to convince people that your ideas and vision are worth the cost it takes to implement.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago
That makes no sense at all. Pre-existing political barriers are the primary obstacle to convincing people in most business settings. The actual technical merit or cost effectiveness usually has utterly no correlation at all to how the business decision is made.
- brlewis 8y ago
  > convincing people I thought you didn't want to be burdened with selling ideas, but just wanted authority to implement them without convincing people.
  - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
    “Selling ideas” is not related at all to demonstrating the technical merit of ideas. They are completely unrelated things.
    - skj 8y ago
      That's an odd distinction and almost certainly not one that was made by anyone else in this conversation.
      - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
        I disagree. It is a basic and ubiquitous distinction in any corporation, because the distinction between appraising the technical merit of a proposal and assessing the political implications, who gets credit, bonuses, etc. etc. is so vast. The connotation of “selling your vision/plan” is obviously political, getting buy-in from a political / authority sense, unrelated to any technical specifics. This is just corporate day-to-day 101 stuff. My use of this distinction is not unique in any way, it is the obvious interpretation that would be used anywhere someone is discussing any type of business project.
    - kjeetgill 8y ago
      It might be just me but I think a lot of people read "Selling ideas" as "demonstrating the technical merit of ideas". Unless the requirements are brain-dead simple, you'll need to sell at the very least the criteria on which you're measuring technical merit: is a latency number a hard requirement, will it scale for x of years, will it be buildable in y months or years. At least some of that is going to come to convincing someone you've done your homework even if they couldn't make a better decision right?

by skj 8y ago

I don't think it's fair to use the label "pre-existing political barriers" when talking about being able to convince people that your ideas and vision are worth the cost it takes to implement.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

That makes no sense at all. Pre-existing political barriers are the primary obstacle to convincing people in most business settings. The actual technical merit or cost effectiveness usually has utterly no correlation at all to how the business decision is made.

brlewis 8y ago
> convincing people I thought you didn't want to be burdened with selling ideas, but just wanted authority to implement them without convincing people.
- mlthoughts2018 8y ago
  “Selling ideas” is not related at all to demonstrating the technical merit of ideas. They are completely unrelated things.
  - skj 8y ago
    That's an odd distinction and almost certainly not one that was made by anyone else in this conversation.
    - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
      I disagree. It is a basic and ubiquitous distinction in any corporation, because the distinction between appraising the technical merit of a proposal and assessing the political implications, who gets credit, bonuses, etc. etc. is so vast. The connotation of “selling your vision/plan” is obviously political, getting buy-in from a political / authority sense, unrelated to any technical specifics. This is just corporate day-to-day 101 stuff. My use of this distinction is not unique in any way, it is the obvious interpretation that would be used anywhere someone is discussing any type of business project.
  - kjeetgill 8y ago
    It might be just me but I think a lot of people read "Selling ideas" as "demonstrating the technical merit of ideas". Unless the requirements are brain-dead simple, you'll need to sell at the very least the criteria on which you're measuring technical merit: is a latency number a hard requirement, will it scale for x of years, will it be buildable in y months or years. At least some of that is going to come to convincing someone you've done your homework even if they couldn't make a better decision right?