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You are right, re-education camps to de-radicalize are bad but they are objectively better than our method of killing 1+ million civilians in Iraq/Afghanistan i

by roboys 8y ago

You are right, re-education camps to de-radicalize are bad but they are objectively better than our method of killing 1+ million civilians in Iraq/Afghanistan in the name of anti-terrorism then leaving a vacuum for ISIS to continue the mayhem and destabilize the whole region.

flyingpenguin 8y ago
Are they objectively better? I have a hard time seeing either as better than the other, just horrifying in their own unique ways.
- roboys 8y ago
  Dead or detained for a few days/weeks/months? I would choose detention. Don't want to speak for dead Iraqis but I expect the majority would choose temporary detention at camps too. At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government to keep peace within its borders is truly unjust.
  - tivert 8y ago
    > At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government... That's more bullshit. How are they supposed to do that when the government that's detaining them is also confiscating their passports [1] [2]? And why would that government give those people the "option" of moving to Turkey when it simultaneously condemns Turkey for taking the refugees [3] and demands Uyghurs trying to escape be returned to China [4]? [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrarily-recalled-xinjiang https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrar... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/china-rebukes-turkey-for-offer-to-shelter-uighur-refugees-idUSKCN0JC0X920141128 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/chi... [4] https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-freeing-11-detained-uighurs-despite-handover-request/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-...
tivert 8y ago
> re-education camps to de-radicalize That's bullshit. The camps aren't there to "de-radicalize" anyone, they're there to subjugate and destroy a minority culture. This is proven because this government campaign also targets "moderates" of that culture, even ones that have gone out of their way to declare loyalty to the state: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/world/asia/china-xinjiang-uighur-intellectuals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/world/asia/china-xinjiang... > Last year, Mr. Jalaleddin joined a government-led campaign for prominent Uighurs to write open letters declaring their allegiance to the state. > Despite that declaration, he was detained in January 2018 [emphasis mine], according to overseas Uighur organizations. > “So many moderate intellectuals have been detained now,” Dr. Harris said. “I don’t know how else to understand this, except as a deliberate policy to deprive Uyghurs of their cultural memory.”

by roboys 8y ago

flyingpenguin 8y ago

Are they objectively better? I have a hard time seeing either as better than the other, just horrifying in their own unique ways.

roboys 8y ago
Dead or detained for a few days/weeks/months? I would choose detention. Don't want to speak for dead Iraqis but I expect the majority would choose temporary detention at camps too. At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government to keep peace within its borders is truly unjust.
- tivert 8y ago
  > At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government... That's more bullshit. How are they supposed to do that when the government that's detaining them is also confiscating their passports [1] [2]? And why would that government give those people the "option" of moving to Turkey when it simultaneously condemns Turkey for taking the refugees [3] and demands Uyghurs trying to escape be returned to China [4]? [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrarily-recalled-xinjiang https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrar... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/china-rebukes-turkey-for-offer-to-shelter-uighur-refugees-idUSKCN0JC0X920141128 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/chi... [4] https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-freeing-11-detained-uighurs-despite-handover-request/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-...

tivert 8y ago

> re-education camps to de-radicalize That's bullshit. The camps aren't there to "de-radicalize" anyone, they're there to subjugate and destroy a minority culture. This is proven because this government campaign also targets "moderates" of that culture, even ones that have gone out of their way to declare loyalty to the state: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/world/asia/china-xinjiang-uighur-intellectuals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/world/asia/china-xinjiang... > Last year, Mr. Jalaleddin joined a government-led campaign for prominent Uighurs to write open letters declaring their allegiance to the state. > Despite that declaration, he was detained in January 2018 [emphasis mine], according to overseas Uighur organizations. > “So many moderate intellectuals have been detained now,” Dr. Harris said. “I don’t know how else to understand this, except as a deliberate policy to deprive Uyghurs of their cultural memory.”