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Any sources on the quote in the article, "Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these routing points. This is believed to

by rjf72 8y ago

Any sources on the quote in the article, "Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these routing points. This is believed to be part of an effort to set up a mass censorship system akin to that seen in China, which tries to scrub out prohibited traffic." ? I searched and all I came up with was several sites saying the exact same thing, literally word for word, or otherwise saying so without any sort of source or rationale behind it. This seems like a very logical test for all countries to carry out. Certainly not enough to suggest it's some sort of precursor to Chinese level censorship if this action is all that's based on.

tivert 8y ago
>> Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these [government-controlled] routing points. > Certainly not enough to suggest it's some sort of precursor to Chinese level censorship if this action is all that's based on. That technical capability is an essential precursor to building a clone of the great firewall. After that, the censorship is just a matter of adding firewall rules.
- equalunique 8y ago
  True, for blocking outgoing AND incoming connections. Everyone in western media assumes the primary motivation is outgoing connections / censorship.
  - laumars 8y ago
    Maybe because hacking an average Russian citizen's PC nets you no benefits (I mean aside the usual low-level cybor crime that already happens) however controlling the media that person accesses then gives you a great deal of domestic power.
ccnafr 8y ago
Source, Russian: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/02/2019/5c5c51069a7947bef4503927 https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/02/2019/5c5c51069...
- rjf72 8y ago
  Thanks. Translate [1] seems to have done quite a remarkable job on the article. And I see absolutely no discussion about any sort of plans for national level censorship service along the lines of China. Perhaps a native speaker can chime in if anything was lost in translation, so to speak. [1] - https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rbc.ru%2Ftechnology_and_media%2F08%2F02%2F2019%2F5c5c51069a7947bef4503927 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...
  - batat 8y ago
    Official bill draft page[1] and some highlights from the provided set of documents (translation): Operators, owners of technological communication networks, as well as other persons having a ASN number [...] must: - follow the routing rules established by the federal executive authority [...] - modify the routing rules at the request of the federal executive authority [...] - to resolve domain names use software and hardware in accordance with the requirements, determined by the federal executive authority [...] - use only internet exchange points listed in the national IXP registry [...] [etc. etc. etc.] In cases of threats to integrity, sustainability and safety [...] centralized management of the Internet by the federal executive authority may be carried out. [1] http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/608767-7 http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/608767-7 * Edit: typo
2019ideas 8y ago
>This seems like a very logical test for all countries to carry out. Who is 'countries'? The president? The deep state? I am not sure I want anyone but a group of decentralized nerds in control of this. And that control be optional.

by rjf72 8y ago

tivert 8y ago

>> Eventually the Russian government wants all domestic traffic to pass through these [government-controlled] routing points. > Certainly not enough to suggest it's some sort of precursor to Chinese level censorship if this action is all that's based on. That technical capability is an essential precursor to building a clone of the great firewall. After that, the censorship is just a matter of adding firewall rules.

equalunique 8y ago
True, for blocking outgoing AND incoming connections. Everyone in western media assumes the primary motivation is outgoing connections / censorship.
- laumars 8y ago
  Maybe because hacking an average Russian citizen's PC nets you no benefits (I mean aside the usual low-level cybor crime that already happens) however controlling the media that person accesses then gives you a great deal of domestic power.

ccnafr 8y ago

Source, Russian: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/02/2019/5c5c51069a7947bef4503927 https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/02/2019/5c5c51069...

rjf72 8y ago
Thanks. Translate [1] seems to have done quite a remarkable job on the article. And I see absolutely no discussion about any sort of plans for national level censorship service along the lines of China. Perhaps a native speaker can chime in if anything was lost in translation, so to speak. [1] - https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rbc.ru%2Ftechnology_and_media%2F08%2F02%2F2019%2F5c5c51069a7947bef4503927 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...
- batat 8y ago
  Official bill draft page[1] and some highlights from the provided set of documents (translation): Operators, owners of technological communication networks, as well as other persons having a ASN number [...] must: - follow the routing rules established by the federal executive authority [...] - modify the routing rules at the request of the federal executive authority [...] - to resolve domain names use software and hardware in accordance with the requirements, determined by the federal executive authority [...] - use only internet exchange points listed in the national IXP registry [...] [etc. etc. etc.] In cases of threats to integrity, sustainability and safety [...] centralized management of the Internet by the federal executive authority may be carried out. [1] http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/608767-7 http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/608767-7 * Edit: typo

2019ideas 8y ago

>This seems like a very logical test for all countries to carry out. Who is 'countries'? The president? The deep state? I am not sure I want anyone but a group of decentralized nerds in control of this. And that control be optional.