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> American are persecuting a company that disobeyed American laws on American soil. No a single Chinese would blink an eye about persecuting American companies

by ardy42 8y ago

> American are persecuting a company that disobeyed American laws on American soil. No a single Chinese would blink an eye about persecuting American companies in China. Hypocrites exist. The Chinese government was shamelessly hypocritical over the Meng arrest, complaining that it violated her "human rights," [1] while their utter indifference to them has yet again been made clear by the camps in Xinjiang. I doubt everyday nationalistic citizens would be any more thoughtful. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46465768 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46465768: "A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson told reporters: 'The detention without giving any reason violates a person's human rights.' ... Beijing has itself frequently been accused by rights groups of rights abuses including unexplained detentions" > China is having economic issues, that's the major reason in sales' dip. Nationalistic ferver drummed up by the Huawei arrest could compound the sales drop.

roboys 8y ago
Camps in Xinjiang have a lot to do with an anti-terrorism effort. Out of the 10 distinct Muslim ethnic groups in China, only one, the Uyghurs, are being put in camps for anti-radicalization efforts due the terrorist activities they engaged in over the last 2+ decades (running over people with cars, attacking businesses & government buildings). Secondly, the Iran sanctions are illegal and most European countries are still doing business with Iran and not being penalized for it by the US. This is pure tradewar leverage/thuggery at work. Get ready for "yellow peril" style propaganda (anyone find the SuperMicro spychips yet? I thought we were riddled with them) to make a comeback as China's economy becomes more of a threat to US hegemony.
- mcphage 8y ago
  > Get ready for "yellow peril" style propaganda (anyone find the SuperMicro spychips yet? I thought we were riddled with them) to make a comeback as China's economy becomes more of a threat to US hegemony. I read that Bloomberg article as more of a swipe at Apple and Amazon than at SuperMicro—especially given the tenor of other articles they've posted, as well as the fact that both companies responded forcefully almost immediately, with no followup or rebuttal from Bloomberg.
  - roboys 8y ago
    You should see what happened to Supermicro's (SMCI) marketcap during those fake reports, the swipe didn't affect AAPL & AMZN's stock price near as much, if at all.
- steve19 8y ago
  Putting a million people into re-education camps is simply terrible. There is no justification for it.
  - roboys 8y ago
    You are right, re-education camps to de-radicalize are bad but they are objectively better than our method of killing 1+ million civilians in Iraq/Afghanistan in the name of anti-terrorism then leaving a vacuum for ISIS to continue the mayhem and destabilize the whole region.
    - flyingpenguin 8y ago
      Are they objectively better? I have a hard time seeing either as better than the other, just horrifying in their own unique ways.
      - roboys 8y ago
        Dead or detained for a few days/weeks/months? I would choose detention. Don't want to speak for dead Iraqis but I expect the majority would choose temporary detention at camps too. At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government to keep peace within its borders is truly unjust.
        tivert 8y ago
        > At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government... That's more bullshit. How are they supposed to do that when the government that's detaining them is also confiscating their passports [1] [2]? And why would that government give those people the "option" of moving to Turkey when it simultaneously condemns Turkey for taking the refugees [3] and demands Uyghurs trying to escape be returned to China [4]? [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrarily-recalled-xinjiang https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrar... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/china-rebukes-turkey-for-offer-to-shelter-uighur-refugees-idUSKCN0JC0X920141128 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/chi... [4] https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-freeing-11-detained-uighurs-despite-handover-request/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-...
- sydli 8y ago
  It's an anti-separatist crackdown that can be compared to China's similar crackdown on Tibet. In fact, the top official (Chen QuanGuo) who ran and experimented with surveillance technology and forced assimilation in Tibet was transferred to Xinjiang in 2017 to essentially build up and run the same type of program, in less time, and for a much larger region (in both area and population). Hence, the camps. In no way is any of it justified-- it's millions of people, and even the Uyghurs that escape are being continually hunted by the government.
dethac 8y ago
So... because China violates the rights of Chinese citizens, the US deserves to violate the rights of Chinese citizens? It goes both ways. I'm sure we'd all prefer if everyone would just stop violating human rights, but that isn't happening. It's not fair to ignore the US's human rights violations just because of China's, and it's not fair to ignore China's human rights violations just because of the US's. Both governments are hypocritical.

by ardy42 8y ago

roboys 8y ago

Camps in Xinjiang have a lot to do with an anti-terrorism effort. Out of the 10 distinct Muslim ethnic groups in China, only one, the Uyghurs, are being put in camps for anti-radicalization efforts due the terrorist activities they engaged in over the last 2+ decades (running over people with cars, attacking businesses & government buildings). Secondly, the Iran sanctions are illegal and most European countries are still doing business with Iran and not being penalized for it by the US. This is pure tradewar leverage/thuggery at work. Get ready for "yellow peril" style propaganda (anyone find the SuperMicro spychips yet? I thought we were riddled with them) to make a comeback as China's economy becomes more of a threat to US hegemony.

mcphage 8y ago
> Get ready for "yellow peril" style propaganda (anyone find the SuperMicro spychips yet? I thought we were riddled with them) to make a comeback as China's economy becomes more of a threat to US hegemony. I read that Bloomberg article as more of a swipe at Apple and Amazon than at SuperMicro—especially given the tenor of other articles they've posted, as well as the fact that both companies responded forcefully almost immediately, with no followup or rebuttal from Bloomberg.
- roboys 8y ago
  You should see what happened to Supermicro's (SMCI) marketcap during those fake reports, the swipe didn't affect AAPL & AMZN's stock price near as much, if at all.
steve19 8y ago
Putting a million people into re-education camps is simply terrible. There is no justification for it.
- roboys 8y ago
  You are right, re-education camps to de-radicalize are bad but they are objectively better than our method of killing 1+ million civilians in Iraq/Afghanistan in the name of anti-terrorism then leaving a vacuum for ISIS to continue the mayhem and destabilize the whole region.
  - flyingpenguin 8y ago
    Are they objectively better? I have a hard time seeing either as better than the other, just horrifying in their own unique ways.
    - roboys 8y ago
      Dead or detained for a few days/weeks/months? I would choose detention. Don't want to speak for dead Iraqis but I expect the majority would choose temporary detention at camps too. At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government to keep peace within its borders is truly unjust.
      - tivert 8y ago
        > At least the Uyghurs have the option of moving to Turkey post-detention if they feel this action by the Chinese government... That's more bullshit. How are they supposed to do that when the government that's detaining them is also confiscating their passports [1] [2]? And why would that government give those people the "option" of moving to Turkey when it simultaneously condemns Turkey for taking the refugees [3] and demands Uyghurs trying to escape be returned to China [4]? [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrarily-recalled-xinjiang https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/21/china-passports-arbitrar... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38093370 [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/china-rebukes-turkey-for-offer-to-shelter-uighur-refugees-idUSKCN0JC0X920141128 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-turkey-thailand/chi... [4] https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-freeing-11-detained-uighurs-despite-handover-request/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/10/12/malaysia-defies-china-...
sydli 8y ago
It's an anti-separatist crackdown that can be compared to China's similar crackdown on Tibet. In fact, the top official (Chen QuanGuo) who ran and experimented with surveillance technology and forced assimilation in Tibet was transferred to Xinjiang in 2017 to essentially build up and run the same type of program, in less time, and for a much larger region (in both area and population). Hence, the camps. In no way is any of it justified-- it's millions of people, and even the Uyghurs that escape are being continually hunted by the government.

dethac 8y ago

So... because China violates the rights of Chinese citizens, the US deserves to violate the rights of Chinese citizens? It goes both ways. I'm sure we'd all prefer if everyone would just stop violating human rights, but that isn't happening. It's not fair to ignore the US's human rights violations just because of China's, and it's not fair to ignore China's human rights violations just because of the US's. Both governments are hypocritical.