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The problem is that the distinction you're trying to make doesn't practically matter. As best we know now, the non-ionising radiation emitted by approved mobile

The problem is that the distinction you're trying to make doesn't practically matter. As best we know now, the non-ionising radiation emitted by approved mobile phone transmitters is so minimally harmful that it is considered harmless. So it might denature a protein here and there, "cooking" an infinitesimally small amount of tissue, but any measurement of this damage, so far, completely lost in the noise. It is, for all practical purposes, as far as we best know now, harmless. > 1 watt at close range at 2.4ghz is lethal given enough time. Well, I'm curious as to how you determined this. It's plausible, so long as the target absorbs everything, radiates nothing, and is incapable of healing. Source?

basch 8y ago
Is my phone raising my body temperature more than a shower in the morning, wearing a blanket, cuddling, or going outside in the sun? I dont see how you could realistically call it cooking to warm the skin ever so slightly.
- justinjlynn 8y ago
  Grossly, no, of course I wouldn't. However, the process of cooking things is essentially the process of using heat to denature and decompose components of tissue. So, it's not technically inaccurate to use the term if only a single protein is denatured by localised heating due to the non-ionising radiation. The point is that to use the term "cooked" in that way in this context is rather absurdly misleading.
  - rplst8 8y ago
    The other part of this "cooked" term we're missing is that microwave energy (RF energy in the 300 MHz to 300 GHz band) only "cooks" things when there is enough energy at the excitation frequency of water molecules. That frequency is around 2.4 or 2.5 GHz. Most cell phones operate in the 700, 800, 900, 1700, 1800, 1900, and 2100 MHz bands.
    - basch 8y ago
      Dont most cell phones connect to wifi?
ohiovr 8y ago
See the Bloomberg link I added above recently like most of you I ridiculed the notion that cell phone radiation is harmful. Have you ever had to pull your phone away from your ear when communicating a far away tower because of a very weird sensation. I have. It doesn’t prove anything of course but that I can sense it and that it is not comfortable makes me think Having it near my brain constantly isn’t going to lead to a good outcome.
- justinjlynn 8y ago
  That's pretty cool - have you been able to duplicate that weird feeling effect? Have others? Has it been double blind tested such that you can actually tell, with no other data, that your phone is transmitting with a higher power? Can you duplicate that same test with others?
- ohiovr 8y ago
  300+ people have this sensation https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3346470 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3346470 I never saw the discussion before but I thought to google it for myself Was in first page of results I am mentally ill but on this I’m not imagining “things” And no this isn’t cool at all. The tower in question is about 8 miles away. We have few towers where I live. It’s sprint which few of my contacts use.
- thatcat 8y ago
  It seems that this could be pretty easily mitigated by using a low power bluetooth headset to connect to the nearby cell phone to avoid putting the higher powered signal near your head.

basch 8y ago

Is my phone raising my body temperature more than a shower in the morning, wearing a blanket, cuddling, or going outside in the sun? I dont see how you could realistically call it cooking to warm the skin ever so slightly.

justinjlynn 8y ago
Grossly, no, of course I wouldn't. However, the process of cooking things is essentially the process of using heat to denature and decompose components of tissue. So, it's not technically inaccurate to use the term if only a single protein is denatured by localised heating due to the non-ionising radiation. The point is that to use the term "cooked" in that way in this context is rather absurdly misleading.
- rplst8 8y ago
  The other part of this "cooked" term we're missing is that microwave energy (RF energy in the 300 MHz to 300 GHz band) only "cooks" things when there is enough energy at the excitation frequency of water molecules. That frequency is around 2.4 or 2.5 GHz. Most cell phones operate in the 700, 800, 900, 1700, 1800, 1900, and 2100 MHz bands.
  - basch 8y ago
    Dont most cell phones connect to wifi?

ohiovr 8y ago

See the Bloomberg link I added above recently like most of you I ridiculed the notion that cell phone radiation is harmful. Have you ever had to pull your phone away from your ear when communicating a far away tower because of a very weird sensation. I have. It doesn’t prove anything of course but that I can sense it and that it is not comfortable makes me think Having it near my brain constantly isn’t going to lead to a good outcome.

justinjlynn 8y ago
That's pretty cool - have you been able to duplicate that weird feeling effect? Have others? Has it been double blind tested such that you can actually tell, with no other data, that your phone is transmitting with a higher power? Can you duplicate that same test with others?
ohiovr 8y ago
300+ people have this sensation https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3346470 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3346470 I never saw the discussion before but I thought to google it for myself Was in first page of results I am mentally ill but on this I’m not imagining “things” And no this isn’t cool at all. The tower in question is about 8 miles away. We have few towers where I live. It’s sprint which few of my contacts use.
thatcat 8y ago
It seems that this could be pretty easily mitigated by using a low power bluetooth headset to connect to the nearby cell phone to avoid putting the higher powered signal near your head.