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3.7 (or maybe even 3.8) support will start as soon as we can have a "final" 3.6 - which might be couple months from now. I think 3.7 won't be done in 2019, unle

by fijal 8y ago

3.7 (or maybe even 3.8) support will start as soon as we can have a "final" 3.6 - which might be couple months from now. I think 3.7 won't be done in 2019, unless some magic source of funding pops up.

make3 8y ago
how isn't Google or Dropbox or Instagram not completely funding you
- jhasse 8y ago
  I guess they aren't the ones that are using 3.7 anyway.
- ijpoijpoihpiuoh 8y ago
  Does Google use PyPy at all? I wasn't aware.
  - make3 8y ago
    maybe they could if they funded it to do what they need it to do
- fijal 8y ago
  The main way big corpos are sponsoring os is hiring the developers typically. That comes with a whole lot of things that some people don't want to deal with, like changing your place of residence
  - rurban 8y ago
    Zurich or Munich shouldn't be too bad, isn't it?
    - sanxiyn 8y ago
      Why not Cape Town?
      - rurban 8y ago
        I doubt that they allow you to work on a VM there. I saw only marketing and content jobs there. In Munich or Zurich they do have VM teams. Maciej is from Warsaw, he could do surfing in Munich. Armin Rigo is in Switzerland.
        fijal 8y ago
        I live in Cape Town where I can do surfing a bit better than in Munich ;-)
        rurban 8y ago
        Sure, also much cheaper. But Munich has no sharks, and the wave is much easier to catch, and it's easier to train 360's :) The Zurich wave is not that good.
- muizelaar 8y ago
  Google and Dropbox have been migrating from Python to Go to deal with Python's performance problems instead of trying to make Python run faster. https://blog.pyston.org/2017/01/31/pyston-0-6-1-released-and-future-plans/ https://blog.pyston.org/2017/01/31/pyston-0-6-1-released-and... https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/01/grumpy-go-running-python.html https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/01/grumpy-go-running-...
alerighi 8y ago
3.7 it's a minor update from 3.6, that basically consists in changes to the standard library rather than the language, and 3.8 I think it will be the same, so once the 3.6 support is implemented it will take less time to implement 3.7 support.
- toyg 8y ago
  Dataclasses are a sweet feature that I can see getting wide adoption pretty quickly. This said, they have a backport and it's mostly just sugar, so I expect one could probably get them working on 3.6 pypy.
  - mixmastamyk 8y ago
    Dataclasses work in 3.6 with pip pkg I believe.
  - j88439h84 8y ago
    http://attrs.org http://attrs.org is the inspiration for dataclasses, but attrs has more features and is available on all versions. http://www.attrs.org/en/stable/why.html#data-classes http://www.attrs.org/en/stable/why.html#data-classes
maayank 8y ago
How realistic is it for an experienced programmer to dedicate 4 hours a week and join as a contributor? Not sure it is enough to bootstrap enough "project" domain experience to be productive. Asking for a friend.
- mattip 8y ago
  There are some “easy” tasks to achieve 3.6 full compatibility, tell your friend to try it and see. We are around on #pypy on IRC, mostly european timezones

by fijal 8y ago

make3 8y ago

how isn't Google or Dropbox or Instagram not completely funding you

jhasse 8y ago
I guess they aren't the ones that are using 3.7 anyway.
ijpoijpoihpiuoh 8y ago
Does Google use PyPy at all? I wasn't aware.
- make3 8y ago
  maybe they could if they funded it to do what they need it to do
fijal 8y ago
The main way big corpos are sponsoring os is hiring the developers typically. That comes with a whole lot of things that some people don't want to deal with, like changing your place of residence
- rurban 8y ago
  Zurich or Munich shouldn't be too bad, isn't it?
  - sanxiyn 8y ago
    Why not Cape Town?
    - rurban 8y ago
      I doubt that they allow you to work on a VM there. I saw only marketing and content jobs there. In Munich or Zurich they do have VM teams. Maciej is from Warsaw, he could do surfing in Munich. Armin Rigo is in Switzerland.
      - fijal 8y ago
        I live in Cape Town where I can do surfing a bit better than in Munich ;-)
        rurban 8y ago
        Sure, also much cheaper. But Munich has no sharks, and the wave is much easier to catch, and it's easier to train 360's :) The Zurich wave is not that good.
muizelaar 8y ago
Google and Dropbox have been migrating from Python to Go to deal with Python's performance problems instead of trying to make Python run faster. https://blog.pyston.org/2017/01/31/pyston-0-6-1-released-and-future-plans/ https://blog.pyston.org/2017/01/31/pyston-0-6-1-released-and... https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/01/grumpy-go-running-python.html https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/01/grumpy-go-running-...

alerighi 8y ago

3.7 it's a minor update from 3.6, that basically consists in changes to the standard library rather than the language, and 3.8 I think it will be the same, so once the 3.6 support is implemented it will take less time to implement 3.7 support.

toyg 8y ago
Dataclasses are a sweet feature that I can see getting wide adoption pretty quickly. This said, they have a backport and it's mostly just sugar, so I expect one could probably get them working on 3.6 pypy.
- mixmastamyk 8y ago
  Dataclasses work in 3.6 with pip pkg I believe.
- j88439h84 8y ago
  http://attrs.org http://attrs.org is the inspiration for dataclasses, but attrs has more features and is available on all versions. http://www.attrs.org/en/stable/why.html#data-classes http://www.attrs.org/en/stable/why.html#data-classes

maayank 8y ago

How realistic is it for an experienced programmer to dedicate 4 hours a week and join as a contributor? Not sure it is enough to bootstrap enough "project" domain experience to be productive. Asking for a friend.

mattip 8y ago
There are some “easy” tasks to achieve 3.6 full compatibility, tell your friend to try it and see. We are around on #pypy on IRC, mostly european timezones