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What of the criticism is not valid, so it can only be explained by "anti-Israeli sentiment"? Is someone who is critical of some of the doings of the NSA or CIA

What of the criticism is not valid, so it can only be explained by "anti-Israeli sentiment"? Is someone who is critical of some of the doings of the NSA or CIA "anti-American"? The issue is complicated by antisemitism being very real, just like there's people who hate America as such. But there is no need to jump to that, especially when you haven't even said what in your estimation makes the criticism only "somewhat" valid.

bayesian_horse 8y ago
"Likud hard-liner apartheid state" is a pretty strong hint.
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  Considering that South Africa views many of the current Israeli government's actions as similar to what they had[1], I am not sure "apartheid" is such a wrong word to use here. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid#Forced_removals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid#Forced_removals
  - bayesian_horse 8y ago
    In my opinion it is one thing to compare Israels policies to Apartheid, it is another to equate and judge them.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  For anti-Israel sentiment? Leibovitz and others also dropped pretty strong hints, but you can hardly call them anti-Israel, and Desmond Tutu also urged people to recognize Israeli as being an apartheid state. When the shoe fits, it's time to stop buggering messengers. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720653 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720653 > "In general, Israeli society is a healthy society, and the majority of it is sane and aims for a Jewish, democratic and liberal country," Ya'alon said. "But to my great sorrow, extremist and dangerous elements have taken over Israel and the Likud Party and are shaking the foundations and threatening to hurt its residents." http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720715 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720715 > Responding to the resignation of Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon earlier in the day, Barak said that it "should be a red light for all of us regarding what's going on in the government." > "Life-sustaining Zionism and the seeds of fascism cannot live together," Barak told a Channel 10 interviewer. > Ya'alon's resignation is "the end of a chain that began with the case of the soldier who shot [a wounded Palestinian assailant to death]," Barak said. "Such incidents give us an X-ray image that is opposed to the will of the people. > "What has happened is a hostile takeover of the Israeli government by dangerous elements. And it's just the beginning." > To illustrate his point, Barak referred to legislation promoted by members of the coalition, including the law to lift the parliamentary immunity of Knesset members who allegedly support terrorism and a bill to impose Israeli law on Israelis living in the West Bank.
  - cf141q5325 8y ago
    Also https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-report-idUSKBN16M2IN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-repor... >U.N. Under-Secretary General and ESCWA Executive Secretary Rima Khalaf said the report was the “first of its type” from a U.N. body that “clearly and frankly concludes that Israel is a racist state that has established an apartheid system that persecutes the Palestinian people”. Article points out however, that the statement does not represent the position of the UN secretariat.

bayesian_horse 8y ago

"Likud hard-liner apartheid state" is a pretty strong hint.

AsyncAwait 8y ago
Considering that South Africa views many of the current Israeli government's actions as similar to what they had[1], I am not sure "apartheid" is such a wrong word to use here. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid#Forced_removals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid#Forced_removals
- bayesian_horse 8y ago
  In my opinion it is one thing to compare Israels policies to Apartheid, it is another to equate and judge them.
PavlovsCat 8y ago
For anti-Israel sentiment? Leibovitz and others also dropped pretty strong hints, but you can hardly call them anti-Israel, and Desmond Tutu also urged people to recognize Israeli as being an apartheid state. When the shoe fits, it's time to stop buggering messengers. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720653 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720653 > "In general, Israeli society is a healthy society, and the majority of it is sane and aims for a Jewish, democratic and liberal country," Ya'alon said. "But to my great sorrow, extremist and dangerous elements have taken over Israel and the Likud Party and are shaking the foundations and threatening to hurt its residents." http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720715 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.720715 > Responding to the resignation of Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon earlier in the day, Barak said that it "should be a red light for all of us regarding what's going on in the government." > "Life-sustaining Zionism and the seeds of fascism cannot live together," Barak told a Channel 10 interviewer. > Ya'alon's resignation is "the end of a chain that began with the case of the soldier who shot [a wounded Palestinian assailant to death]," Barak said. "Such incidents give us an X-ray image that is opposed to the will of the people. > "What has happened is a hostile takeover of the Israeli government by dangerous elements. And it's just the beginning." > To illustrate his point, Barak referred to legislation promoted by members of the coalition, including the law to lift the parliamentary immunity of Knesset members who allegedly support terrorism and a bill to impose Israeli law on Israelis living in the West Bank.
- cf141q5325 8y ago
  Also https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-report-idUSKBN16M2IN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-repor... >U.N. Under-Secretary General and ESCWA Executive Secretary Rima Khalaf said the report was the “first of its type” from a U.N. body that “clearly and frankly concludes that Israel is a racist state that has established an apartheid system that persecutes the Palestinian people”. Article points out however, that the statement does not represent the position of the UN secretariat.