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You're correct that Nvidia proprietary driver users are unwelcome. We lay this out explicitly in our GitHub issue template, in fact. If you use that Intel GPU i

You're correct that Nvidia proprietary driver users are unwelcome. We lay this out explicitly in our GitHub issue template, in fact. If you use that Intel GPU instead we'll get along swimmingly.

hutzlibu 8y ago
So you are feeling self-righteous and looking down on people who have the wrong hardware? Hardware that is wrong, because the (market dominant) company behind it, does not make a open-source driver? I mean, you do realize, that Open-Source is sadly not the norm and rather something very odd to traditional industries? So to people who do not worship the GPL(or even heard of it and just want their software to work), you might be a bit offputting. Which might not be the way to increase the significance of Open Source. Which is a bit sad. Because I love OS and yes I know about the GPL etc. - but even I am put of by that arrogance and ignorance. So I am not saying you need to support X or whatever, but maybe do not direct your hate of Nvidia to the users of Nvidia. Maybe they are even new to this. Because those would then just shake their head and go away, (back to windows). Hurray.
- Hello71 8y ago
  There is a difference between not supporting something and actively trying to sabotage it at every turn.
  - atemerev 8y ago
    Nvidia doesn’t try to sabotage OS. They just don’t want to support existing APIs that the rest of the OS community uses, because they already have a similar API, readily available for everyone. The same problem is with Wayland developers — they already have an API that Intel and AMD agreed to use, and they do not want to make a special case for Nvidia. These kind of questions are resolved by asking oneselves who is having greater adoption — Nvidia or Wayland.
coffeecat 8y ago
I do use the Intel GPU for all things graphical. But as I stated, I require the proprietary nvidia driver as well. Your issue policy is "If the nvidia module is loaded on your system, you are not permitted to file bugs of any sort" (https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3039 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3039). From this, I can only infer that your attitude is to childishly exclude a large segment of users (owners of optimus laptops) on whose hardware free drivers are loaded, but who also have some use (which is none of sway/wlroot's concern) for their second nvidia GPU.
- Tharre 8y ago
  You should actually read the comment that was linked in that issue as well: > [...] if using hybrid graphics where the primary is Intel and the secondary is nvidia, sway would continue to work (just without nvidia monitors) and the user would never see the log message. Then they're likely to create issues related to outputs not working, causing us to invest time in troubleshooting it, only to find that they are using nvidia and never saw the warning." So yes, you can run sway with the nvidia module loaded, just please unload it and test again before you report bugs.
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  - coffeecat 8y ago
    > So yes, you can run sway with the nvidia module loaded, just please unload it and test again before you report bugs. If that were the language used in the issue tracker, then fine. It's sensible to request that users reproduce the bug with the proprietary driver blacklisted before reporting. But the attitude they're projecting is hostile and unconstructive. The bug tracker says: > If you are using the nvidia proprietary driver for any reason, you have two choices: > > 1. Uninstall it and use nouveau instead > 2. Use X11+i3 and close your browser tab > > If `lsmod | grep nvidia | wc -l` shows anything other than zero, your bug report is not welcome here. Furthermore, sway's behavior is to check whether the proprietary driver is loaded and, if so, exit unless sway is started with the flag --my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidia. It's hostile, childish, and very off-putting to a potential user and contributor.

You're correct that Nvidia proprietary driver users are unwelcome. We lay this out explicitly in our GitHub issue template, in fact. If you use that Intel GPU instead we'll get along swimmingly.

hutzlibu 8y ago

So you are feeling self-righteous and looking down on people who have the wrong hardware? Hardware that is wrong, because the (market dominant) company behind it, does not make a open-source driver? I mean, you do realize, that Open-Source is sadly not the norm and rather something very odd to traditional industries? So to people who do not worship the GPL(or even heard of it and just want their software to work), you might be a bit offputting. Which might not be the way to increase the significance of Open Source. Which is a bit sad. Because I love OS and yes I know about the GPL etc. - but even I am put of by that arrogance and ignorance. So I am not saying you need to support X or whatever, but maybe do not direct your hate of Nvidia to the users of Nvidia. Maybe they are even new to this. Because those would then just shake their head and go away, (back to windows). Hurray.

Hello71 8y ago
There is a difference between not supporting something and actively trying to sabotage it at every turn.
- atemerev 8y ago
  Nvidia doesn’t try to sabotage OS. They just don’t want to support existing APIs that the rest of the OS community uses, because they already have a similar API, readily available for everyone. The same problem is with Wayland developers — they already have an API that Intel and AMD agreed to use, and they do not want to make a special case for Nvidia. These kind of questions are resolved by asking oneselves who is having greater adoption — Nvidia or Wayland.

coffeecat 8y ago

I do use the Intel GPU for all things graphical. But as I stated, I require the proprietary nvidia driver as well. Your issue policy is "If the nvidia module is loaded on your system, you are not permitted to file bugs of any sort" (https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3039 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3039). From this, I can only infer that your attitude is to childishly exclude a large segment of users (owners of optimus laptops) on whose hardware free drivers are loaded, but who also have some use (which is none of sway/wlroot's concern) for their second nvidia GPU.

Tharre 8y ago
You should actually read the comment that was linked in that issue as well: > [...] if using hybrid graphics where the primary is Intel and the secondary is nvidia, sway would continue to work (just without nvidia monitors) and the user would never see the log message. Then they're likely to create issues related to outputs not working, causing us to invest time in troubleshooting it, only to find that they are using nvidia and never saw the warning." So yes, you can run sway with the nvidia module loaded, just please unload it and test again before you report bugs.
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- coffeecat 8y ago
  > So yes, you can run sway with the nvidia module loaded, just please unload it and test again before you report bugs. If that were the language used in the issue tracker, then fine. It's sensible to request that users reproduce the bug with the proprietary driver blacklisted before reporting. But the attitude they're projecting is hostile and unconstructive. The bug tracker says: > If you are using the nvidia proprietary driver for any reason, you have two choices: > > 1. Uninstall it and use nouveau instead > 2. Use X11+i3 and close your browser tab > > If `lsmod | grep nvidia | wc -l` shows anything other than zero, your bug report is not welcome here. Furthermore, sway's behavior is to check whether the proprietary driver is loaded and, if so, exit unless sway is started with the flag --my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidia. It's hostile, childish, and very off-putting to a potential user and contributor.