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This seems very fishy. Seemingly un-previously established website publishes study critical of Tesla. Gas auto and oil interests have been known to do this kind

This seems very fishy. Seemingly un-previously established website publishes study critical of Tesla. Gas auto and oil interests have been known to do this kind of thing before; wouldn't be surprised if this was the latest iteration.

AndrewBissell 8y ago
Hey look, it's the same line trotted out every time someone suggests that Teslas are not the safest, most reliable cars on Earth, that Autopilot is not just one OTA update away from Level 5 self-driving, and that Elon Musk is not a modern-day Thomas Edison about to end climate change and bring us all to Mars: "GOTTA BE THE OIL & GAS INDUSTRY!" This is really just a way for Tesla and Elon Musk fans to inject a cloud of distracting squid ink into discussions of any remotely damaging info. If you are looking for some third party validation, Edward Niedermeyer is a journalist who has followed Tesla & Elon Musk closely for years and is taking this study very seriously: https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1094318155285946368 https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1094318155285946368
- AtlasBarfed 8y ago
  Just because they are crazy, doesn't mean they are wrong
  - AndrewBissell 8y ago
    In this case, the safety researchers in question have previously held many legacy automakers' feet to the fire, and Sean Kane has past association with Ralph Nader. Oil & gas stooges these are not.
- omarforgotpwd 8y ago
  Andrew is one of the trolls who spends all day attacking Tesla on twitter. Go look him up, Andrew Bissell. Top commenter is right, this document is highly suspect. In any case an analysis from 2017 is irrelevant given how much the software has changed. It is sad that Andrew would see people die to help his Tesla short position. Ah, looks like he just protected his tweets. Probably worried about his employer or federal investigators looking into what he’s spending all his time on. https://mobile.twitter.com/arbissell?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/arbissell?lang=en
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - AndrewBissell 8y ago
    ^ The attempt to intimidate critics into silence with threats to their employment is also a common tactic among Tesla bulls. A bit of behavior learned from their Dear Leader after Elon Musk chased Montana Skeptic off of Twitter and Seeking Alpha. The idea that federal investigators are taking any interest in Tesla shorts is OTOH pure Tesla bull fantasy. (Actually, that's not quite true: the SF SEC reportedly spoke with one short seller to gather tips about the company.) Anyone who wants to follow me without tweeting that my skepticism of Autopilot is tantamount to murder, and that "God will judge me" for it (as Omar here did), is welcome to send me a follow request.
    - omarforgotpwd 8y ago
      Damn Andrew, I didn’t think you had such thin skin. Enjoy the echo chamber. Happy to unblock each other if you ever feel like listening to viewpoints that are different than your own. And nobody’s calling your boss, I doubt anyone really cares. They are trolling you.
- jaspergilley 8y ago
  Elon Musk is far greater an inventor/entrepreneur than Edison ever was. If Elon accomplishes a fraction of what he's set out to in his life, history books from the year 2500 will relegate Edison to a footnote in the chapter about Musk.
  - acdha 8y ago
    That’s a big claim. Can you back it up with some evidence? Edison played a key role in at least three technologies which transformed life in the 20th century. Musk has led some incremental improvements which are nice but I’m skeptical that he’ll realistically match, much less eclipse, that impact.

AndrewBissell 8y ago

Hey look, it's the same line trotted out every time someone suggests that Teslas are not the safest, most reliable cars on Earth, that Autopilot is not just one OTA update away from Level 5 self-driving, and that Elon Musk is not a modern-day Thomas Edison about to end climate change and bring us all to Mars: "GOTTA BE THE OIL & GAS INDUSTRY!" This is really just a way for Tesla and Elon Musk fans to inject a cloud of distracting squid ink into discussions of any remotely damaging info. If you are looking for some third party validation, Edward Niedermeyer is a journalist who has followed Tesla & Elon Musk closely for years and is taking this study very seriously: https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1094318155285946368 https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1094318155285946368

AtlasBarfed 8y ago
Just because they are crazy, doesn't mean they are wrong
- AndrewBissell 8y ago
  In this case, the safety researchers in question have previously held many legacy automakers' feet to the fire, and Sean Kane has past association with Ralph Nader. Oil & gas stooges these are not.
omarforgotpwd 8y ago
Andrew is one of the trolls who spends all day attacking Tesla on twitter. Go look him up, Andrew Bissell. Top commenter is right, this document is highly suspect. In any case an analysis from 2017 is irrelevant given how much the software has changed. It is sad that Andrew would see people die to help his Tesla short position. Ah, looks like he just protected his tweets. Probably worried about his employer or federal investigators looking into what he’s spending all his time on. https://mobile.twitter.com/arbissell?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/arbissell?lang=en
- deleted 8y ago
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- AndrewBissell 8y ago
  ^ The attempt to intimidate critics into silence with threats to their employment is also a common tactic among Tesla bulls. A bit of behavior learned from their Dear Leader after Elon Musk chased Montana Skeptic off of Twitter and Seeking Alpha. The idea that federal investigators are taking any interest in Tesla shorts is OTOH pure Tesla bull fantasy. (Actually, that's not quite true: the SF SEC reportedly spoke with one short seller to gather tips about the company.) Anyone who wants to follow me without tweeting that my skepticism of Autopilot is tantamount to murder, and that "God will judge me" for it (as Omar here did), is welcome to send me a follow request.
  - omarforgotpwd 8y ago
    Damn Andrew, I didn’t think you had such thin skin. Enjoy the echo chamber. Happy to unblock each other if you ever feel like listening to viewpoints that are different than your own. And nobody’s calling your boss, I doubt anyone really cares. They are trolling you.
jaspergilley 8y ago
Elon Musk is far greater an inventor/entrepreneur than Edison ever was. If Elon accomplishes a fraction of what he's set out to in his life, history books from the year 2500 will relegate Edison to a footnote in the chapter about Musk.
- acdha 8y ago
  That’s a big claim. Can you back it up with some evidence? Edison played a key role in at least three technologies which transformed life in the 20th century. Musk has led some incremental improvements which are nice but I’m skeptical that he’ll realistically match, much less eclipse, that impact.