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> What is the benefit of Brave? It is to have a chrome with adblocker on android. For all my desktop browsing I use firefox but on android some sites just don'

by mikkom 8y ago

> What is the benefit of Brave? It is to have a chrome with adblocker on android. For all my desktop browsing I use firefox but on android some sites just don't work. I haven't seen any Brave ads but if they start to appear, then I'm back on Firefox on android as well..

atomical 8y ago
The Brave ads are opt-in. If you don't want to pay for content in some way then that is your problem and has nothing to do with Brave, Chrome, or FireFox.
- Pharmakon 8y ago
  For now. If the rise of Google has taught us anything it’s to analyze a business in terms of its likely future, not its present spin and PR. If all it takes to make more money is to flip a switch, then it’s reasonable to worry that such a flip is just a matter of wider adoption and time.
  - isoskeles 8y ago
    What's your point? They might become evil in the future so we should treat them like they're evil now?
    - Pharmakon 8y ago
      I’d prefer you responded to what I actually wrote, rather than a straw man I didn’t write. I can only really refer you back to my original comment, which answers the question, “What’s your point” without the unreasonable framing of my answer. To reiterate If the rise of Google has taught us anything it’s to analyze a business in terms of its likely future, not its present spin and PR. If all it takes to make more money is to flip a switch, then it’s reasonable to worry that such a flip is just a matter of wider adoption and time. Brave is a combination of adtech undermining other adtech, cryptocurrency, and a lot of verbiage. I feel that’s a reason to be concerned when the line between said verbiage and future profits (assuming widespread adoption rather than withering away) is the flip of a single option from “opt-in” to “opt-out”.
      - atomical 8y ago
        > Brave is a combination of adtech undermining other adtech, cryptocurrency, and a lot of verbiage. I feel that’s a reason to be concerned when the line between said verbiage and future profits (assuming widespread adoption rather than withering away) is the flip of a single option from “opt-in” to “opt-out”. This is the definition of concern trolling.
      - isoskeles 8y ago
        It may not simply take flipping a switch to make more money. As far as we all know, Google's value proposition for throwing as many ads as possible in front of us is that they have tons of personal data about their users. Brave does not offer such value to advertisers (unless they start having people "Sign Up", which would be an effort significantly more difficult than flipping a switch), so where do you suppose the value in throwing as many ads as possible to as many people possible comes in? What value is there in showing me a browser-based ad for something completely irrelevant to me? That aside, I responded directly to your comment, which basically says that if Organization X does something undesirable, related Organization Y would likely do it as well. On one level, I get it, it's almost agreeable. On another, it seems like you want to hold Brave accountable for the sins of Google, which is almost absurd to me. But hey, that's your right. Can you go ahead and copy/paste the comment again if you continue to disagree? I like being condescended to.
  - jammygit 8y ago
    This is a thoughtful idea. What is the Brave endgame after they win a new browser war? Their model would encourage users to donate to spread BATs to creators, but it would be a small portion who did it. They could try to add a premium subscription, but again a minority of users would pay. Probably, it ends up with pressure to turn ads back on like the Adblock extension did, or to pay users to watch ads in a gamified way? The alternative seems to be either ads/tracking (chrome), or directing people towards search engines owned by competitors (Firefox). Then again, their whole tech stack is built on a competitors work too. All browsers depend so much on Google now its crazy
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kop316 8y ago
I'm curious, what sites don't work? Firefox on android has been fine for me.
- ndnxhs 8y ago
  Twitter on Firefox android keeps giving me an error saying I have been rate limited and other Firefox users have reported the same. With how horrible twitter is I assume this is a problem on their side.
  - snazz 8y ago
    The “rate limited” error occurs for me on MobileSafari on iOS, so it’s not Firefox related. Reloading the page works fine. It seems to have to do with which referrer took you to Twitter.
    - Ayesh 8y ago
      Firefox blocks third party trackers by default. In some rate limiting implementation, this often signals a bot that don't often retain tracker cookies.
      - snazz 8y ago
        Oh, so it could be my DNS-based adblocking setup or the “Prevent Cross-site Tracking” option in Safari settings. That makes sense.
  - Jonnax 8y ago
    That's actually Twitter's intentional behaviour to force users to log in. Somehow you're no longer rate limited after signing in
  - edoceo 8y ago
    I get this error in chrome/Android and rarely visit twitter.
  - kop316 8y ago
brandnewlow 8y ago
I work at Brave. Thank you for using our product. Any ad products we ship will be opt-in only. If you don’t opt-in you’ll never see them.
- mirimir 8y ago
  Thanks for clarifying that.

by mikkom 8y ago

atomical 8y ago

The Brave ads are opt-in. If you don't want to pay for content in some way then that is your problem and has nothing to do with Brave, Chrome, or FireFox.

Pharmakon 8y ago
For now. If the rise of Google has taught us anything it’s to analyze a business in terms of its likely future, not its present spin and PR. If all it takes to make more money is to flip a switch, then it’s reasonable to worry that such a flip is just a matter of wider adoption and time.
- isoskeles 8y ago
  What's your point? They might become evil in the future so we should treat them like they're evil now?
  - Pharmakon 8y ago
    I’d prefer you responded to what I actually wrote, rather than a straw man I didn’t write. I can only really refer you back to my original comment, which answers the question, “What’s your point” without the unreasonable framing of my answer. To reiterate If the rise of Google has taught us anything it’s to analyze a business in terms of its likely future, not its present spin and PR. If all it takes to make more money is to flip a switch, then it’s reasonable to worry that such a flip is just a matter of wider adoption and time. Brave is a combination of adtech undermining other adtech, cryptocurrency, and a lot of verbiage. I feel that’s a reason to be concerned when the line between said verbiage and future profits (assuming widespread adoption rather than withering away) is the flip of a single option from “opt-in” to “opt-out”.
    - atomical 8y ago
      > Brave is a combination of adtech undermining other adtech, cryptocurrency, and a lot of verbiage. I feel that’s a reason to be concerned when the line between said verbiage and future profits (assuming widespread adoption rather than withering away) is the flip of a single option from “opt-in” to “opt-out”. This is the definition of concern trolling.
    - isoskeles 8y ago
      It may not simply take flipping a switch to make more money. As far as we all know, Google's value proposition for throwing as many ads as possible in front of us is that they have tons of personal data about their users. Brave does not offer such value to advertisers (unless they start having people "Sign Up", which would be an effort significantly more difficult than flipping a switch), so where do you suppose the value in throwing as many ads as possible to as many people possible comes in? What value is there in showing me a browser-based ad for something completely irrelevant to me? That aside, I responded directly to your comment, which basically says that if Organization X does something undesirable, related Organization Y would likely do it as well. On one level, I get it, it's almost agreeable. On another, it seems like you want to hold Brave accountable for the sins of Google, which is almost absurd to me. But hey, that's your right. Can you go ahead and copy/paste the comment again if you continue to disagree? I like being condescended to.
- jammygit 8y ago
  This is a thoughtful idea. What is the Brave endgame after they win a new browser war? Their model would encourage users to donate to spread BATs to creators, but it would be a small portion who did it. They could try to add a premium subscription, but again a minority of users would pay. Probably, it ends up with pressure to turn ads back on like the Adblock extension did, or to pay users to watch ads in a gamified way? The alternative seems to be either ads/tracking (chrome), or directing people towards search engines owned by competitors (Firefox). Then again, their whole tech stack is built on a competitors work too. All browsers depend so much on Google now its crazy
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kop316 8y ago

I'm curious, what sites don't work? Firefox on android has been fine for me.

ndnxhs 8y ago
Twitter on Firefox android keeps giving me an error saying I have been rate limited and other Firefox users have reported the same. With how horrible twitter is I assume this is a problem on their side.
- snazz 8y ago
  The “rate limited” error occurs for me on MobileSafari on iOS, so it’s not Firefox related. Reloading the page works fine. It seems to have to do with which referrer took you to Twitter.
  - Ayesh 8y ago
    Firefox blocks third party trackers by default. In some rate limiting implementation, this often signals a bot that don't often retain tracker cookies.
    - snazz 8y ago
      Oh, so it could be my DNS-based adblocking setup or the “Prevent Cross-site Tracking” option in Safari settings. That makes sense.
- Jonnax 8y ago
  That's actually Twitter's intentional behaviour to force users to log in. Somehow you're no longer rate limited after signing in
- edoceo 8y ago
  I get this error in chrome/Android and rarely visit twitter.
- kop316 8y ago

brandnewlow 8y ago

I work at Brave. Thank you for using our product. Any ad products we ship will be opt-in only. If you don’t opt-in you’ll never see them.

mirimir 8y ago
Thanks for clarifying that.