3 ms·

Do you think there is a difference between things that you don’t want and things that are immoral?

by baddox 8y ago

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
I was answering GP's questions phrased "do you want...?". Of course there is a huge difference. I find tracking across sites immoral as it makes inferences from information I have not willingly, or knowingly shared. Often very dubious inferences. Adtech as a whole seems like an industry free of ethics, happy to use every dark pattern and dubious trick (like ignoring DNT, or worse using as fingerprint), to get data anyway regardless of user wish. In every other scenario aside from online, I can decline to answer or decline the loyalty card etc. If I have attracted enough interest of the authorities to gain a real-life surveillance tail ads are the least of my worries. :)
- goldcd 8y ago
  I think you've nailed it. I've just accepted I'm tracked and it's the price to pay for the benefits shrugs I don't see adtech as 'free of ethics' - merely what I'd do myself in their position (qualified with the legal gubbins). If you really don't want to be tracked, you've got tails, tor, crypto, whatever - and this is the opt-out if you're prepared to put the effort it (It's certainly less onerous that getting online in the pre-Aol world). My take is that there's a generation of people who've come later and just have complete cognitive-dissonance as to what pays for what they interact with. "I use Facebook - but I've no idea why they're worth billions" I've no doubt a correction is coming, and the winner should be whoever can ride this new wave.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    >"If you really don't want to be tracked, you've got tails, tor, crypto, whatever - and this is the opt-out if you're prepared to put the effort" Honestly, that's a bit like saying "if you don't want to be shot, you got bulletproof vests and bodyguards, that's your opt-out", in a world where everyone can just shoot guns randomly at each other, with very few to no repercussions.

Do you think there is a difference between things that you don’t want and things that are immoral?

by baddox 8y ago

Do you think there is a difference between things that you don’t want and things that are immoral?

I was answering GP's questions phrased "do you want...?". Of course there is a huge difference. I find tracking across sites immoral as it makes inferences from information I have not willingly, or knowingly shared. Often very dubious inferences. Adtech as a whole seems like an industry free of ethics, happy to use every dark pattern and dubious trick (like ignoring DNT, or worse using as fingerprint), to get data anyway regardless of user wish. In every other scenario aside from online, I can decline to answer or decline the loyalty card etc. If I have attracted enough interest of the authorities to gain a real-life surveillance tail ads are the least of my worries. :)

goldcd 8y ago
I think you've nailed it. I've just accepted I'm tracked and it's the price to pay for the benefits shrugs I don't see adtech as 'free of ethics' - merely what I'd do myself in their position (qualified with the legal gubbins). If you really don't want to be tracked, you've got tails, tor, crypto, whatever - and this is the opt-out if you're prepared to put the effort it (It's certainly less onerous that getting online in the pre-Aol world). My take is that there's a generation of people who've come later and just have complete cognitive-dissonance as to what pays for what they interact with. "I use Facebook - but I've no idea why they're worth billions" I've no doubt a correction is coming, and the winner should be whoever can ride this new wave.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  >"If you really don't want to be tracked, you've got tails, tor, crypto, whatever - and this is the opt-out if you're prepared to put the effort" Honestly, that's a bit like saying "if you don't want to be shot, you got bulletproof vests and bodyguards, that's your opt-out", in a world where everyone can just shoot guns randomly at each other, with very few to no repercussions.