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Exactly - If you eat an apple, you get a modest amount of sugar with some fiber to go with it. The fiber helps slow down the absorption of the sugar and lessens

Exactly - If you eat an apple, you get a modest amount of sugar with some fiber to go with it. The fiber helps slow down the absorption of the sugar and lessens the insulin response. If you drink a big glass of apple juice, you get the sugar load of eating multiple apples and get none of the fiber. It's basically like drinking soda.

jvagner 8y ago
How many apples does a persona typically eat in one sitting? How many apples' worth of sugar is in a 8/12/20 ounce serving of juice?
- semi-extrinsic 8y ago
  The usual claim on premium juice is 2 kg orange per 1 l (=1 kg) juice.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
    Whole oranges? Orange peel / rind probably accounts for a significant portion of the weight of fresh oranges.
    - semi-extrinsic 8y ago
      Whole oranges, for sure. I can't see how you'd lose 50% mass if you've already discarded the peel/rind. FWIW, citrus peel is a fairly valuable commodity since it's the raw material for production of limonene, which is a really good and biodegradable degreaser. IIRC it was discovered by NASA searching for a solvent for cleaning the space shuttle.
- retsibsi 8y ago
  These read like rhetorical questions, but for anyone else who didn't know the answer to the second one: - apple juice has ~10g of sugar per 100ml; that's ~35g per 12 US fluid ounces. - Google tells me that apples (variety is unspecified) have 10g of sugar per 100g. 100g is a plausible weight for a single apple, so that's ~10g per apple.
  - jopsen 8y ago
    An important detail is also how fast the sugar is absorbed. Juice is pretty much instant.. Where as an apple takes time to break down, even if you chew well :)
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dagoat 8y ago
Except that soda has other things in it that are bad and aren't called sugar. And juice still has many vitamins and minerals retained. I get what you're saying, and I'm not claiming juice is healthy. But it's certainly heathier than soda. Whole fruit is, of course, far healthier than juice
- jopsen 8y ago
  For most of us vitamins is rarely a problem.. so if we ignored that. Then do we have any studies to suggest soda contains "bad" stuff that juice doesn't.. I feel like we often associated natural things with being healthy, without necessary justification :)
  - dagoat 8y ago
    > For most of us vitamins is rarely a problem.. so if we ignored that. What are you basing that on? > Then do we have any studies to suggest soda contains "bad" stuff that juice doesn't Probably. Look at a few labels of various sodas. You'll often find things like phosphoric acid, artificial colours, artificial preservatives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners etc. Are these the worse things in the world? Probably not. Are many of these things good for you? Probably not. Do they do more harm than good? Possibly. > I feel like we often associated natural things with being healthy I feel like we often look at nutritional labels and draw conclusions based off of macronutrients/calories - without much contemplation of the ingredients
    - p1necone 8y ago
      > Look at a few labels of various sodas. You'll often find things like phosphoric acid, artificial colours, artificial preservatives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners etc. This is still just the Natural = Good, Artificial = Bad fallacy. You can't just list some stuff with chemically sounding names and say "look - scary bad chemicals!". What specifically are you claiming is bad? You went from "soda has other bad things in it" to "probably, possibly, maybe" as soon as you had to be more specific.

jvagner 8y ago

How many apples does a persona typically eat in one sitting? How many apples' worth of sugar is in a 8/12/20 ounce serving of juice?

semi-extrinsic 8y ago
The usual claim on premium juice is 2 kg orange per 1 l (=1 kg) juice.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Whole oranges? Orange peel / rind probably accounts for a significant portion of the weight of fresh oranges.
  - semi-extrinsic 8y ago
    Whole oranges, for sure. I can't see how you'd lose 50% mass if you've already discarded the peel/rind. FWIW, citrus peel is a fairly valuable commodity since it's the raw material for production of limonene, which is a really good and biodegradable degreaser. IIRC it was discovered by NASA searching for a solvent for cleaning the space shuttle.
retsibsi 8y ago
These read like rhetorical questions, but for anyone else who didn't know the answer to the second one: - apple juice has ~10g of sugar per 100ml; that's ~35g per 12 US fluid ounces. - Google tells me that apples (variety is unspecified) have 10g of sugar per 100g. 100g is a plausible weight for a single apple, so that's ~10g per apple.
- jopsen 8y ago
  An important detail is also how fast the sugar is absorbed. Juice is pretty much instant.. Where as an apple takes time to break down, even if you chew well :)
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dagoat 8y ago

Except that soda has other things in it that are bad and aren't called sugar. And juice still has many vitamins and minerals retained. I get what you're saying, and I'm not claiming juice is healthy. But it's certainly heathier than soda. Whole fruit is, of course, far healthier than juice

jopsen 8y ago
For most of us vitamins is rarely a problem.. so if we ignored that. Then do we have any studies to suggest soda contains "bad" stuff that juice doesn't.. I feel like we often associated natural things with being healthy, without necessary justification :)
- dagoat 8y ago
  > For most of us vitamins is rarely a problem.. so if we ignored that. What are you basing that on? > Then do we have any studies to suggest soda contains "bad" stuff that juice doesn't Probably. Look at a few labels of various sodas. You'll often find things like phosphoric acid, artificial colours, artificial preservatives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners etc. Are these the worse things in the world? Probably not. Are many of these things good for you? Probably not. Do they do more harm than good? Possibly. > I feel like we often associated natural things with being healthy I feel like we often look at nutritional labels and draw conclusions based off of macronutrients/calories - without much contemplation of the ingredients
  - p1necone 8y ago
    > Look at a few labels of various sodas. You'll often find things like phosphoric acid, artificial colours, artificial preservatives, caffeine, artificial sweeteners etc. This is still just the Natural = Good, Artificial = Bad fallacy. You can't just list some stuff with chemically sounding names and say "look - scary bad chemicals!". What specifically are you claiming is bad? You went from "soda has other bad things in it" to "probably, possibly, maybe" as soon as you had to be more specific.