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Uyghur musician tortured to death in China’s concentration camp

48 points by abc-xyz 8y ago

onetimemanytime 8y ago
Amazing how in 2019 no one can stop them. Or willing to suffer any consequences from stopping them. >>"We hope the Turkish side will have a correct understanding of the efforts made by China to legally deploy measures..." Legally yeah, because China itself passed the law.
- trevyn 8y ago
  It sucks for the people being detained right now, but geopolitically there’s not yet a pressing need to stop the Chinese government — the world knows China is without meaningful long-term allies and is weakening on top of that. Xi only seems to know how to play a Xi-and-China-vs-the-world game, which isn’t a game I’d want to play on the Chinese side. Anyway, it will all take quite a long time to play out.
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ilamont 8y ago
Contrast this grim development and international condemnation of China's treatment of its own people with the happy news from Chinese news organizations and government officials about "free vocational training" and "boarding schools." (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/internment-camps-make-uighurs-life-more-colourful-says-xinjiang-governor https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/internment-cam...) Hundreds of millions of Chinese people and many foreign people exposed to the English-language propaganda believe it, too.
- grayhatwarrior 8y ago
  It's difficult to believe much about China from Western media due to their track record of only reporting what suits them. Ever wonder why there is there no coverage on much more severe rights abuses in Indian controlled Kashmir or Palestine? Such as the time they tied a man as a human shield to an army keep in India? I didn't think so.
verroq 8y ago
It is depressing to think that there is nothing we can do to prevent the rise of dystopian regimes that consolide their power with thru censorship and authoritarianism. The worst is that most people in China support their current government and believes what has been done as for the greater good.
- benj111 8y ago
  How will we know? If you were Chinese would you take the risk of speaking out? 'freedom' is all well and good in the abstract, but would you risk yourself for it? Your wife and kids?
benj111 8y ago
Here's another article on the camps in general https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps# https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_cam...
umeshunni 8y ago
Later article from the BBC contradicting this one: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47191952 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47191952
- benj111 8y ago
  The question though, is whether to believe the latest video.
amaccuish 8y ago
The current HN headline is sensationalised and should be changed.

48 points by abc-xyz 8y ago

Amazing how in 2019 no one can stop them. Or willing to suffer any consequences from stopping them. >>"We hope the Turkish side will have a correct understanding of the efforts made by China to legally deploy measures..." Legally yeah, because China itself passed the law.

trevyn 8y ago
It sucks for the people being detained right now, but geopolitically there’s not yet a pressing need to stop the Chinese government — the world knows China is without meaningful long-term allies and is weakening on top of that. Xi only seems to know how to play a Xi-and-China-vs-the-world game, which isn’t a game I’d want to play on the Chinese side. Anyway, it will all take quite a long time to play out.

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ilamont 8y ago

Contrast this grim development and international condemnation of China's treatment of its own people with the happy news from Chinese news organizations and government officials about "free vocational training" and "boarding schools." (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/internment-camps-make-uighurs-life-more-colourful-says-xinjiang-governor https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/internment-cam...) Hundreds of millions of Chinese people and many foreign people exposed to the English-language propaganda believe it, too.

grayhatwarrior 8y ago
It's difficult to believe much about China from Western media due to their track record of only reporting what suits them. Ever wonder why there is there no coverage on much more severe rights abuses in Indian controlled Kashmir or Palestine? Such as the time they tied a man as a human shield to an army keep in India? I didn't think so.

verroq 8y ago

It is depressing to think that there is nothing we can do to prevent the rise of dystopian regimes that consolide their power with thru censorship and authoritarianism. The worst is that most people in China support their current government and believes what has been done as for the greater good.

benj111 8y ago
How will we know? If you were Chinese would you take the risk of speaking out? 'freedom' is all well and good in the abstract, but would you risk yourself for it? Your wife and kids?

benj111 8y ago

Here's another article on the camps in general https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps# https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_cam...

umeshunni 8y ago

Later article from the BBC contradicting this one: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47191952 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47191952

benj111 8y ago
The question though, is whether to believe the latest video.

amaccuish 8y ago

The current HN headline is sensationalised and should be changed.