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Your work on sway and wlroots is phenomenal, but I feel like there is quite a gap here in terms of why people are concerned about Nvidia support. Yes, Nvidia a

Your work on sway and wlroots is phenomenal, but I feel like there is quite a gap here in terms of why people are concerned about Nvidia support. Yes, Nvidia are not great when it comes to OSS, but like it or not, for doing real work in ML, scientific computing, or video and photo editing, Nvidia with CUDA is simply a much better experience and much more broadly supported. While I don't think it should be the job of wlroots/sway to fix Nvidia's less than ideal driver chain, I think it is important to remember that a lot of people get a lot of productive work done on with Nvidia cards and would love to get rid of some of the pain of X while still being able to use their high end GPUs for both work and graphics. It seems fairly clear with with MacOS focusing less and less on high end machines, there is a gap for high end unix workstations and hopefully desktop Linux can fill that gap, but right now that likely means Nvidia support... I think the best answer is just to buy amd and market forces will get Nvidia to change, but that still doesn't mean everyone can just go that path right now to get their day job done.

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
>Yes, Nvidia are not great when it comes to OSS, but like it or not, for doing real work in ML, scientific computing, or video and photo editing, Nvidia with CUDA is simply a much better experience and much more broadly supported. Fine. If you do these things, stay on X. >While I don't think it should be the job of wlroots/sway to fix Nvidia's less than ideal driver chain, I think it is important to remember that a lot of people get a lot of productive work done on with Nvidia cards and would love to get rid of some of the pain of X while still being able to use their high end GPUs for both work and graphics. I honestly just don't care. They should boycott Nvidia and find something else to do with their time if they really want better support from Wayland. I'm not going to bend over for Nvidia. Ever.
- addisonj 8y ago
  Nor do I think you should, my only point is to say that people's FUD about Wayland often has roots in FOMO about not being able to use the new and shiny for their workflow and no clear path to when/how that will be fixed, regardless of whose "job" it is to fix the problem. The people who demand change are wrong too, I am super happy people like you are doing what you do, otherwise this OSS thing really would never work. But to be clear, while I think your stance is completely reasonable and justified, it is just a hard pill for some people to swallow. That doesn't mean that those who are jerks about it are justified, but it also doesn't mean that those who raise concerns, that those concerns aren't warranted.
djsumdog 8y ago
Where is the current Nouveau work for supporting these features on nvidia cards? I feel like that's where the focus should be (where you should contribute time, money convince your company to sponsor, etc.) to get the features generally available in Linux without the proprietary drivers.
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
  https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago

>Yes, Nvidia are not great when it comes to OSS, but like it or not, for doing real work in ML, scientific computing, or video and photo editing, Nvidia with CUDA is simply a much better experience and much more broadly supported. Fine. If you do these things, stay on X. >While I don't think it should be the job of wlroots/sway to fix Nvidia's less than ideal driver chain, I think it is important to remember that a lot of people get a lot of productive work done on with Nvidia cards and would love to get rid of some of the pain of X while still being able to use their high end GPUs for both work and graphics. I honestly just don't care. They should boycott Nvidia and find something else to do with their time if they really want better support from Wayland. I'm not going to bend over for Nvidia. Ever.

addisonj 8y ago
Nor do I think you should, my only point is to say that people's FUD about Wayland often has roots in FOMO about not being able to use the new and shiny for their workflow and no clear path to when/how that will be fixed, regardless of whose "job" it is to fix the problem. The people who demand change are wrong too, I am super happy people like you are doing what you do, otherwise this OSS thing really would never work. But to be clear, while I think your stance is completely reasonable and justified, it is just a hard pill for some people to swallow. That doesn't mean that those who are jerks about it are justified, but it also doesn't mean that those who raise concerns, that those concerns aren't warranted.

djsumdog 8y ago

Where is the current Nouveau work for supporting these features on nvidia cards? I feel like that's where the focus should be (where you should contribute time, money convince your company to sponsor, etc.) to get the features generally available in Linux without the proprietary drivers.

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/