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Exactly! what happened last year is election fraud, which is why I called it "election fraud" instead of "voter fraud." An explainer: https://www.vox.com/polic

Exactly! what happened last year is election fraud, which is why I called it "election fraud" instead of "voter fraud." An explainer: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/11/18134636/north-carolina-9-election-fraud-voter-fraud https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/11/18134636/...

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
So... you are saying we need a system I place to prevent fraud then? What would that look like?
- rhizome 8y ago
  Nice try, Mr. von Spakovsky.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  As is pretty clear from the linked Vox article, the proposed solutions for largely nonexistent voter fraud would have zero impact on this sort of election fraud.
- rsynnott 8y ago
  Paper ballots with a public count work quite well. A number of countries have discontinues use of electronic voting in the last decade or so due to issues like this, and/or the fear of such issues.
  - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
    How do protect for situations like boxes of paper ballots that showing up in random places in Broward County this last election?
Zecar 8y ago
FYI, any attempt to steal an election is both (a) fraud and (b) treason, and I don't even understand why you're trying to rules-lawyer a distinction here.
- jakelazaroff 8y ago
  Because it's an important distinction. OP is using "voter fraud" to refer to voters acting fraudulently, and "election fraud" to refer to election officials acting fraudulently. Of particular importance here is that the former is relatively rare (despite scaremongering by one side of the political spectrum) while the latter is decidedly less so. Also, legally, neither one is treason.
  - Zecar 8y ago
    > Also, legally, neither one is treason. Haha ok man but no for real that's actual treason.
    - ascagnel_ 8y ago
      It's both undemocratic (small-d) and un-American, but it doesn't fit the rubric of "providing aid or comfort to the enemy" for treasonous behavior.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  I'm sure you read the article being discussed in this subthread (https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud...) -- it makes the same distinction.
- ptyyy 8y ago
  > (b) treason I think you need to look up the legal definition of treason as specified by Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution.
  - Zecar 8y ago
    1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Have you read it? If you don't think overthrowing our democracy is an act of war against the USA or giving our enemies aid and confort.... https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.16046137.2447/ap,550x550,16x12,1,transparent,t.png https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.16046137.2447/ap,550x550,16x...

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago

So... you are saying we need a system I place to prevent fraud then? What would that look like?

rhizome 8y ago
Nice try, Mr. von Spakovsky.
ceejayoz 8y ago
As is pretty clear from the linked Vox article, the proposed solutions for largely nonexistent voter fraud would have zero impact on this sort of election fraud.
rsynnott 8y ago
Paper ballots with a public count work quite well. A number of countries have discontinues use of electronic voting in the last decade or so due to issues like this, and/or the fear of such issues.
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  How do protect for situations like boxes of paper ballots that showing up in random places in Broward County this last election?

Zecar 8y ago

FYI, any attempt to steal an election is both (a) fraud and (b) treason, and I don't even understand why you're trying to rules-lawyer a distinction here.

jakelazaroff 8y ago
Because it's an important distinction. OP is using "voter fraud" to refer to voters acting fraudulently, and "election fraud" to refer to election officials acting fraudulently. Of particular importance here is that the former is relatively rare (despite scaremongering by one side of the political spectrum) while the latter is decidedly less so. Also, legally, neither one is treason.
- Zecar 8y ago
  > Also, legally, neither one is treason. Haha ok man but no for real that's actual treason.
  - ascagnel_ 8y ago
    It's both undemocratic (small-d) and un-American, but it doesn't fit the rubric of "providing aid or comfort to the enemy" for treasonous behavior.
greglindahl 8y ago
I'm sure you read the article being discussed in this subthread (https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud...) -- it makes the same distinction.
ptyyy 8y ago
> (b) treason I think you need to look up the legal definition of treason as specified by Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution.
- Zecar 8y ago
  1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Have you read it? If you don't think overthrowing our democracy is an act of war against the USA or giving our enemies aid and confort.... https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.16046137.2447/ap,550x550,16x12,1,transparent,t.png https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.16046137.2447/ap,550x550,16x...