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Wait, voter fraud doesn't exist but hey look it happened just last year?
by Zecar 8y ago
Wait, voter fraud doesn't exist but hey look it happened just last year?
- aaronbrethorst 8y agoExactly! what happened last year is election fraud, which is why I called it "election fraud" instead of "voter fraud." An explainer: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/11/18134636/north-carolina-9-election-fraud-voter-fraud https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/11/18134636/...
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoSo... you are saying we need a system I place to prevent fraud then? What would that look like?
- rhizome 8y agoNice try, Mr. von Spakovsky.
- ceejayoz 8y agoAs is pretty clear from the linked Vox article, the proposed solutions for largely nonexistent voter fraud would have zero impact on this sort of election fraud.
- rsynnott 8y agoPaper ballots with a public count work quite well. A number of countries have discontinues use of electronic voting in the last decade or so due to issues like this, and/or the fear of such issues.
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoHow do protect for situations like boxes of paper ballots that showing up in random places in Broward County this last election?
- Zecar 8y agoFYI, any attempt to steal an election is both (a) fraud and (b) treason, and I don't even understand why you're trying to rules-lawyer a distinction here.
- jakelazaroff 8y agoBecause it's an important distinction. OP is using "voter fraud" to refer to voters acting fraudulently, and "election fraud" to refer to election officials acting fraudulently. Of particular importance here is that the former is relatively rare (despite scaremongering by one side of the political spectrum) while the latter is decidedly less so. Also, legally, neither one is treason.
- greglindahl 8y agoI'm sure you read the article being discussed in this subthread (https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud...) -- it makes the same distinction.
- ptyyy 8y ago> (b) treason I think you need to look up the legal definition of treason as specified by Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution.
- Zecar 8y ago
- LorenPechtel 8y agoVoter fraud is someone who shouldn't be voting but votes. It's basically nonexistent. This is election fraud--people who are allowed to vote being blocked in some fashion. It's definitely up there in the Republican playbook. Note that the Republican obsession with voter fraud is actually an attempt to justify election fraud.
- 75dvtwin 8y agoPopular quote by Jim Acosta (CNN): CNN’s Jim Acosta tweeted “voter fraud in this country is actually very rare.” Considered to be a justification for to continue voter fraud (because getting ineligible people to vote (and multiple times) ) -- is likely helping democrats). [1] https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/voter-fraud-exists-even-though-many-in-the-media-claim-it-doesnt https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/voter-fraud-exists-even-thou...
- Zecar 8y agoYou folks think that Russians interfered with our election results, I would think you would thusly support securing our elections...
- LorenPechtel 8y agoWhat the Republicans are trying to do does absolutely nothing about what Russia appears to have done. "Securing" our elections is about suppressing the vote of the poor, not about stopping fraudulent voting.