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Has wayland been released yet ? Does it still freeze the whole gnome desktop when dragging a Firefox tab from one window to another (asking for a friend) ?

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
Wayland the protocol was released a long time ago. Wayland implementations like GNOME are in varying states of completion. I don't know about GNOME in particular, but my compositor - sway - is shipping 1.0 within the next month or two.
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- johnchristopher 8y ago
  > https://swaywm.org/ https://swaywm.org/ Looks good ! Do you think fancy animations and tiling could be done (wobling, fading and swiping effects when switch from one pane to the other, etc.)?
  - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
    We're not interested in those for sway, but we work with a project called wayfire via wlroots that you may be interested in: https://wayfire.org/ https://wayfire.org/
    - victornomad 8y ago
      I saw wayfire last week and looks cool, a bit of compiz/beryl revival on wayland :) I think sway is prety nice as it is but I would love to see a few things to make it feel "modern" - round borders - simple drop shadows - a way to add small effects when opening/closing/selecting windows. I was wondering how difficult would it be to allow run custom shaders on those actions. So for example one could implement very easily fade in/outs, gray out all the windows except the selected, and custom effects, etc... just adding something in the config file like on_selected_glsl: 'path_to_fragment.glsl (unixporn community would love it :) Anyway, I'm pretty happy on the current state, so thanks for the amazing work :)
      - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
        https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3652 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3652
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  - floatboth 8y ago
    Wayfire (already mentioned by Drew) indeed has wobbly windows, the desktop cube and even the titular fire :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLb7YRKEhWEBUIoT-a29UoJW9mhfzjpNle&v=Ban7wspkrNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLb7YRKEhWEBUIoT-a29UoJW9...
    - johnchristopher 8y ago
      Cool. I used to love tiling managers (awesome-wm user) and I always thought it was lacking a smoothness factor when transitioning from a pane to another or when rearranging containers. Something that wouldn't make you think you just blinked and the windows were moved, a way to follow where visual objects are going to. Something like that (notice how the resize is smooth and not instantaneous, which allows your eyes to follow movements but the left and right align are instantaneous and feel like something hit you from nowhere since you can't track the transitions with your eyes): https://streamable.com/wb36p https://streamable.com/wb36p
snazz 8y ago
It’s the default on a number of Linux distros. I’ve never seen it crash when dragging tabs between windows, but it is still less stable than Xorg, in my experience. Full crashes are very rare as of recently, however. I’m impressed with how much it’s improved, but I don’t use it myself, as it isn’t supported on OpenBSD (where Xenocara is the X11 implementation).
- johnchristopher 8y ago
  Sure: $ (kubuntu 18.04LTS default install, not tweaky tweaky) loginctl show-session 3 -p Type Type=x11 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399093 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399093 To be fair I remember video playback was waaaaaay smoother with wayland than X last time I tried. But this kind of bugs happened to me last year. I don't have time anymore for distribution tweaking, either the current LTS works or I pick up something else (that's why I don't mind running x or wayland these days: whatever works is okay).
  - paulcarroty 8y ago
    Firefox-wayland released in Fedora maybe year ago. Can't remember nothing related in GNOME.
    - johnchristopher 8y ago
      I remember that one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1704765 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1704... (does apply to ff drag and drop too if I recall correctly, carried from 17.10 to 18.04) and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/895 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/895.

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago

Wayland the protocol was released a long time ago. Wayland implementations like GNOME are in varying states of completion. I don't know about GNOME in particular, but my compositor - sway - is shipping 1.0 within the next month or two.

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johnchristopher 8y ago
> https://swaywm.org/ https://swaywm.org/ Looks good ! Do you think fancy animations and tiling could be done (wobling, fading and swiping effects when switch from one pane to the other, etc.)?
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
  We're not interested in those for sway, but we work with a project called wayfire via wlroots that you may be interested in: https://wayfire.org/ https://wayfire.org/
  - victornomad 8y ago
    I saw wayfire last week and looks cool, a bit of compiz/beryl revival on wayland :) I think sway is prety nice as it is but I would love to see a few things to make it feel "modern" - round borders - simple drop shadows - a way to add small effects when opening/closing/selecting windows. I was wondering how difficult would it be to allow run custom shaders on those actions. So for example one could implement very easily fade in/outs, gray out all the windows except the selected, and custom effects, etc... just adding something in the config file like on_selected_glsl: 'path_to_fragment.glsl (unixporn community would love it :) Anyway, I'm pretty happy on the current state, so thanks for the amazing work :)
    - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
      https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3652 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3652
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- floatboth 8y ago
  Wayfire (already mentioned by Drew) indeed has wobbly windows, the desktop cube and even the titular fire :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLb7YRKEhWEBUIoT-a29UoJW9mhfzjpNle&v=Ban7wspkrNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLb7YRKEhWEBUIoT-a29UoJW9...
  - johnchristopher 8y ago
    Cool. I used to love tiling managers (awesome-wm user) and I always thought it was lacking a smoothness factor when transitioning from a pane to another or when rearranging containers. Something that wouldn't make you think you just blinked and the windows were moved, a way to follow where visual objects are going to. Something like that (notice how the resize is smooth and not instantaneous, which allows your eyes to follow movements but the left and right align are instantaneous and feel like something hit you from nowhere since you can't track the transitions with your eyes): https://streamable.com/wb36p https://streamable.com/wb36p

snazz 8y ago

It’s the default on a number of Linux distros. I’ve never seen it crash when dragging tabs between windows, but it is still less stable than Xorg, in my experience. Full crashes are very rare as of recently, however. I’m impressed with how much it’s improved, but I don’t use it myself, as it isn’t supported on OpenBSD (where Xenocara is the X11 implementation).

johnchristopher 8y ago
Sure: $ (kubuntu 18.04LTS default install, not tweaky tweaky) loginctl show-session 3 -p Type Type=x11 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399093 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399093 To be fair I remember video playback was waaaaaay smoother with wayland than X last time I tried. But this kind of bugs happened to me last year. I don't have time anymore for distribution tweaking, either the current LTS works or I pick up something else (that's why I don't mind running x or wayland these days: whatever works is okay).
- paulcarroty 8y ago
  Firefox-wayland released in Fedora maybe year ago. Can't remember nothing related in GNOME.
  - johnchristopher 8y ago
    I remember that one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1704765 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1704... (does apply to ff drag and drop too if I recall correctly, carried from 17.10 to 18.04) and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/895 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/895.