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I’m a complete outsider to PostgreSQL specifics, but: if that is the reason, then this is a case for improving messaging. If I’d been in the patch submitter’s

I’m a complete outsider to PostgreSQL specifics, but: if that is the reason, then this is a case for improving messaging. If I’d been in the patch submitter’s shoes, I wouldn’t have thought twice about writing off that community. If I had gotten your reply, instead: 100% fair play, thank you for your consideration, and send my love to the dev team. Messaging matters.

darkerside 8y ago
I somehow responded with this to the wrong post earlier: Honestly, if someone's spending time working on a high value open source project (which PG absolutely is), I'd rather they spend less time (than I do) crafting their internet comments to sound nice and more time contributing to society. And I hope people who actually use the product feel the same way, understand why every single use case can't be carefully considered every time it comes up, and don't take it personally.
- nothrabannosir 8y ago
  But messaging influences public perception influences inclination of future potential contributors to participate influences quality of the software. As we see here. People like to think they can escape politics. They can’t. Any group of >1 humans will involve politics. Learning how to be respectful and polite is like learning how to touch type: it’s a small, painful price to pay once, for a lifetime of copious reward.
  - darkerside 8y ago
    The less value you provide, the more important politics are. If you aren't doing much, then you damn well better have great messaging. If you're doing a lot, and people are banging on your doors to get what you're selling or giving away, then don't waste your time being polite. Nobody cares. They just want you to do what you do.
    - nothrabannosir 8y ago
      > Nobody cares. Except georgebarnett and jarym. Or perhaps that was the point, that PostgreSQL isn’t doing much! :)
      - darkerside 8y ago
        > I patched my own systems (wrap the calls in a loop as per standard practice) and then proceeded to run literally hundreds of thousands of PostgreSQL instances on NFS for many more years with no problems. -georgebarnett > Actually as great as Postgres is and as generally approachable the community is - my experience was the same a few times and I read it on the mailing list happening to others: - jarym It seems that despite things not being perfect (and they never are), these people are still having positive experiences with the product and the community overall. So, to restate, some people care enough to post about it on HN, but nobody (who continues to use PG, and there are a lot of us) cares all that much.

darkerside 8y ago

I somehow responded with this to the wrong post earlier: Honestly, if someone's spending time working on a high value open source project (which PG absolutely is), I'd rather they spend less time (than I do) crafting their internet comments to sound nice and more time contributing to society. And I hope people who actually use the product feel the same way, understand why every single use case can't be carefully considered every time it comes up, and don't take it personally.

nothrabannosir 8y ago
But messaging influences public perception influences inclination of future potential contributors to participate influences quality of the software. As we see here. People like to think they can escape politics. They can’t. Any group of >1 humans will involve politics. Learning how to be respectful and polite is like learning how to touch type: it’s a small, painful price to pay once, for a lifetime of copious reward.
- darkerside 8y ago
  The less value you provide, the more important politics are. If you aren't doing much, then you damn well better have great messaging. If you're doing a lot, and people are banging on your doors to get what you're selling or giving away, then don't waste your time being polite. Nobody cares. They just want you to do what you do.
  - nothrabannosir 8y ago
    > Nobody cares. Except georgebarnett and jarym. Or perhaps that was the point, that PostgreSQL isn’t doing much! :)
    - darkerside 8y ago
      > I patched my own systems (wrap the calls in a loop as per standard practice) and then proceeded to run literally hundreds of thousands of PostgreSQL instances on NFS for many more years with no problems. -georgebarnett > Actually as great as Postgres is and as generally approachable the community is - my experience was the same a few times and I read it on the mailing list happening to others: - jarym It seems that despite things not being perfect (and they never are), these people are still having positive experiences with the product and the community overall. So, to restate, some people care enough to post about it on HN, but nobody (who continues to use PG, and there are a lot of us) cares all that much.