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Inclusivity is about wanting to better include minorities or disabled people in spaces where they may have been discriminated against and affecting their liveli

by rfw 8y ago

Inclusivity is about wanting to better include minorities or disabled people in spaces where they may have been discriminated against and affecting their livelihoods, e.g. the workplace. Using a definition of inclusivity here without a consideration for power dynamics between the parties involved is totally uncharitable: as you've observed in your comment, there is no barrier to actually denying "exclusive rights" to activists, so it's more a matter of respect to the people who want to use the symbol (e.g. the pride flag, which few people have issues with it being used to exclusively represent LGBT groups) to make their cause more visible, rather than a lack of "inclusivity".

int_19h 8y ago
Inclusivity is a word with a broad meaning, and that's not it. Has it also been recently redefined in terms of "... + power (and we'll tell you who has how much power!)" in the social studies dictionary, same as racism?
- rfw 8y ago
  1. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/inclusivity https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/inclusivity > The practice or policy of including people who might otherwise be excluded or marginalized, such as those who have physical or mental disabilities and members of minority groups. 2. Without an understanding of power, is there a useful definition of "inclusivity"? Or is it just a whitewashed feelgood platitude that can't mean anything in the end, because if you include everyone, including people who are decidedly discriminating against you, that it constitutes some ideal of "inclusiveness"?
  - int_19h 8y ago
    You just gave a useful definition of inclusivity, which doesn't rely on power in the sense that it is employed in this context. Or, alternatively, excluding others is a power in and of itself - a very common power to have, and people do that all the time to those who have other powers over them (sometimes for that very reason!). But no, it doesn't mean that you have to include people who are decidedly discriminating against you. Which, again, has nothing to do with their power to actually do so, systemic or otherwise. For example, an NBP black supremacist can be rightly rejected because they're known for their anti-Semitic rants with threats of genocide, despite the fact that they have no ability to actually carry them out.
  - belorn 8y ago
    Lets follow that dictionary and looking up minority groups. > A small group of people within a community or country, differing from the main population in race, religion, language, or political persuasion. With women being slightly more than 50% and men being slightly less than 50% of the main population in the country, that will makes men the minority group. Women is not a minority group according to any dictionary.
  - josteink 8y ago
    > 2. Without an understanding of power, is there a useful definition of "inclusivity"? Absolutely. The only thingn adding vague references to “power” does is make a plain and simple concept confusing and unclear. The “power”-aspect is only added by sexists and racists trying to justify their own bigotry, or in the sadder cases: people trying to raise their social status within aforementioned group by doing virtue-signaling.

by rfw 8y ago

int_19h 8y ago

Inclusivity is a word with a broad meaning, and that's not it. Has it also been recently redefined in terms of "... + power (and we'll tell you who has how much power!)" in the social studies dictionary, same as racism?

rfw 8y ago
1. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/inclusivity https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/inclusivity > The practice or policy of including people who might otherwise be excluded or marginalized, such as those who have physical or mental disabilities and members of minority groups. 2. Without an understanding of power, is there a useful definition of "inclusivity"? Or is it just a whitewashed feelgood platitude that can't mean anything in the end, because if you include everyone, including people who are decidedly discriminating against you, that it constitutes some ideal of "inclusiveness"?
- int_19h 8y ago
  You just gave a useful definition of inclusivity, which doesn't rely on power in the sense that it is employed in this context. Or, alternatively, excluding others is a power in and of itself - a very common power to have, and people do that all the time to those who have other powers over them (sometimes for that very reason!). But no, it doesn't mean that you have to include people who are decidedly discriminating against you. Which, again, has nothing to do with their power to actually do so, systemic or otherwise. For example, an NBP black supremacist can be rightly rejected because they're known for their anti-Semitic rants with threats of genocide, despite the fact that they have no ability to actually carry them out.
- belorn 8y ago
  Lets follow that dictionary and looking up minority groups. > A small group of people within a community or country, differing from the main population in race, religion, language, or political persuasion. With women being slightly more than 50% and men being slightly less than 50% of the main population in the country, that will makes men the minority group. Women is not a minority group according to any dictionary.
- josteink 8y ago
  > 2. Without an understanding of power, is there a useful definition of "inclusivity"? Absolutely. The only thingn adding vague references to “power” does is make a plain and simple concept confusing and unclear. The “power”-aspect is only added by sexists and racists trying to justify their own bigotry, or in the sadder cases: people trying to raise their social status within aforementioned group by doing virtue-signaling.