You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You have to have a genuine and open dialogue with them in the form of a socrati

You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You have to have a genuine and open dialogue with them in the form of a socratic discussion. See examples of street epistemology to get them to lessen their confidence. The first step to lessening their confidence is to get them to recognize and understand that the methods they are using to recognize true things is unreliable. Often you can't get them to flip positions on it over one discussion, so you have to have multiple discussions taking their ideas seriously and being respectful with them before they can come around. By presenting evidence, they'll be unconvinced and it will probably trigger the backfire effect and drive them deeper into their dogma. So I agree with what you're saying, street epistemology is like a form of motivational interviewing.