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It is useless to talk to such people. You are using the scientific framework, they are not. Trust me, I tried. Funny thing on the side: Since a vaccination is

It is useless to talk to such people. You are using the scientific framework, they are not. Trust me, I tried. Funny thing on the side: Since a vaccination is rarely 100% effective but most people in the western world are vaccinated, more vaccinated people get sick than not vaccinated people. :-)

darkpuma 8y ago
> "It is useless to talk to such people. You are using the scientific framework, they are not. Trust me, I tried." It's possible to get through to these people if you're willing to argue in terms they understand, which means dropping "scientific framework". You might be unwilling to do that, but if you can stomach it, it works. Constructing persuasive irrational arguments for positions that are correct takes some practice, but it's not exactly difficult.
- jayalpha 8y ago
  Good luck. https://qz.com/1258198/conspiracy-theorists-believe-wild-ideas-because-they-want-to-feel-special/ https://qz.com/1258198/conspiracy-theorists-believe-wild-ide... "It's possible to get through to these people if you're willing to argue in terms they understand" No, because they would lose their feeling of superiority. On what kind of basis do you want to discuss with them? If you present a fact they will just say: "We don't believe this!" If you present scientific evidence they will say: "We don't accept this! This is not proof! We want proof". "Proof" is something that is not not inherent in the scientific method, requiring it shows a total lack of understanding of science.
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    > No, because they would lose their feeling of superiority. Perhaps you've never gotten the hang of it, but it's possible to persuade people in ways that lead them to believe your idea was theirs. Learning this skill will improve your life, because most people you will encounter on your journey through life are not Spock impersonators.

darkpuma 8y ago

> "It is useless to talk to such people. You are using the scientific framework, they are not. Trust me, I tried." It's possible to get through to these people if you're willing to argue in terms they understand, which means dropping "scientific framework". You might be unwilling to do that, but if you can stomach it, it works. Constructing persuasive irrational arguments for positions that are correct takes some practice, but it's not exactly difficult.

jayalpha 8y ago
Good luck. https://qz.com/1258198/conspiracy-theorists-believe-wild-ideas-because-they-want-to-feel-special/ https://qz.com/1258198/conspiracy-theorists-believe-wild-ide... "It's possible to get through to these people if you're willing to argue in terms they understand" No, because they would lose their feeling of superiority. On what kind of basis do you want to discuss with them? If you present a fact they will just say: "We don't believe this!" If you present scientific evidence they will say: "We don't accept this! This is not proof! We want proof". "Proof" is something that is not not inherent in the scientific method, requiring it shows a total lack of understanding of science.
- darkpuma 8y ago
  > No, because they would lose their feeling of superiority. Perhaps you've never gotten the hang of it, but it's possible to persuade people in ways that lead them to believe your idea was theirs. Learning this skill will improve your life, because most people you will encounter on your journey through life are not Spock impersonators.