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> The only hope is to out-crazy them. Or use the scientific method to determine what methods of persuasion have the highest success rates for promoting behavio

> The only hope is to out-crazy them. Or use the scientific method to determine what methods of persuasion have the highest success rates for promoting behavioural changes, such as motivational interviewing? https://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c1900 https://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c1900 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0010-8804(02)80030-1 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0010-8804(02)80030-1 Or require parents to consult with local public health departments to obtain a waiver, which has significantly reduced vaccine exemptions in some cases? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/can-skeptical-parents-be-persuaded-vaccinate https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/can-skeptical-parent...

femto113 8y ago
If states can force women to get medically unnecessary ultrasounds or listen to non-science-based "counseling" before an abortion it seems like they should also have the power to force parents to view videos of children who were maimed by polio or suffered brain damage from measles induced encephalitis before they opt out of vaccines.
- bryanrasmussen 8y ago
  In the American system it is often politically easier to force people to do something in order to get something - such as force people to get ultrasounds before having an abortion - than it is to force someone to do something in order to abstain from something else (note, I don't say it's impossible many examples do come to mind, just it's more difficult). IIRC some places have tried to tie getting required vaccines to public school enrollment, but that is problematic because solu5ion is at state level and not national.
samhain 8y ago
You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You have to have a genuine and open dialogue with them in the form of a socratic discussion. See examples of street epistemology to get them to lessen their confidence. The first step to lessening their confidence is to get them to recognize and understand that the methods they are using to recognize true things is unreliable. Often you can't get them to flip positions on it over one discussion, so you have to have multiple discussions taking their ideas seriously and being respectful with them before they can come around. By presenting evidence, they'll be unconvinced and it will probably trigger the backfire effect and drive them deeper into their dogma. So I agree with what you're saying, street epistemology is like a form of motivational interviewing.

femto113 8y ago

If states can force women to get medically unnecessary ultrasounds or listen to non-science-based "counseling" before an abortion it seems like they should also have the power to force parents to view videos of children who were maimed by polio or suffered brain damage from measles induced encephalitis before they opt out of vaccines.

bryanrasmussen 8y ago
In the American system it is often politically easier to force people to do something in order to get something - such as force people to get ultrasounds before having an abortion - than it is to force someone to do something in order to abstain from something else (note, I don't say it's impossible many examples do come to mind, just it's more difficult). IIRC some places have tried to tie getting required vaccines to public school enrollment, but that is problematic because solu5ion is at state level and not national.

samhain 8y ago

You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You have to have a genuine and open dialogue with them in the form of a socratic discussion. See examples of street epistemology to get them to lessen their confidence. The first step to lessening their confidence is to get them to recognize and understand that the methods they are using to recognize true things is unreliable. Often you can't get them to flip positions on it over one discussion, so you have to have multiple discussions taking their ideas seriously and being respectful with them before they can come around. By presenting evidence, they'll be unconvinced and it will probably trigger the backfire effect and drive them deeper into their dogma. So I agree with what you're saying, street epistemology is like a form of motivational interviewing.