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i'm a bit confused about who the target audience for this tutorial is...it is too fast-paced for a newbie, but also seems to be too basic for anyone who is expe

by zach43 8y ago

i'm a bit confused about who the target audience for this tutorial is...it is too fast-paced for a newbie, but also seems to be too basic for anyone who is experienced with other programming languages. not entirely sure what the "in twenty minutes" bit is aiming to achieve here

MuffinFlavored 8y ago
Why would anybody want to learn Ruby over say... node.js/Typescript these days?
- mykowebhn 8y ago
  I believe your question would be more poignant if you s/node\.js\/Typescript/python/ . There's a lot more overlap between the use cases for Ruby and Python. Just saying.
- zach43 8y ago
  i've always thought of Ruby as a very clean, elegant, ergonomic language to write tools in (based on a few months of experience working with it a few years ago). I'm familiar enough with JS that i would primarily use JS now for web stuff, but Ruby is quite a nice language to use, and I wouldn't be surprised if its easier for beginners to learn than JS. In any case I think that skills in any one of the popular 'big' higher level dynamically typed languages (Ruby, JS, Python) are fairly transferable to the others too.
  - duncan-donuts 8y ago
    I remember people suggesting I learn javascript when I first started out. I found the syntax of ruby way easier to understand in those early days, and found ways to actually build stuff when I didn’t really know what I was doing. Now I sort of miss ruby (while writing node/typescript all day everyday).
  - h1d 8y ago
    I agree. Mainly done PHP and Nodejs and lately helping on a ruby project but I like how it's more fun when other languages feel more tight. I feel too bad that Python had taken over the position of Ruby more or less.
- bdcravens 8y ago
  Same reason as you'd learn any language: job market (some areas have more openings for one language (for instance, in Houston, Ruby is slightly ahead of Node, and C# blows both of them away) or another or you need to work with projects written in that language (in the Ruby example, say you want to write a module for Metasploit or hack on Gitlab), etc. It's never as simple as focusing only on what the coolest web language is.
- empath75 8y ago
  Ruby is a beautifully designed language and that makes it worth learning on its own.
- chrischattin 8y ago
  Well, Rails is still the fastest way to build and iterate a web app that I know of... BY FAR. I volunteer to teach an intro to Rails class to folks getting ready to graduate a local code school and always enjoy watching their facial expressions as I live demo in about 15 min what they just spend the last couple months learning how to implement in the node/JS stack. Plus, Ruby is just a joy to work with. Hard to put a price on enjoying the language and framework you work with.
  - dleslie 8y ago
    The magic of opinionated and reasonable defaults.
  - shubham_sinha 8y ago
    When Node Js is taught people often teach Express framework. If someone teaches AdonisJs, it will have similar effect on audience as mentioned above.
    - dagoat 8y ago
      AdonisJs actually does look interesting. As a side point though, it is much less mature than rails. Just going off the age, and number of: commits/releases/contributors. Its GitHub pulse is also obviously not as “rapid” Rails also has a rich set of libraries in the form of gems - which AdonisJs most likely doesn’t rival Rails is also used/has been used in production by some major companies. Perhaps AdonisJs has been too, but it can’t be as many
    - sandGorgon 8y ago
      There is also Nest.js (which is Typescript based and also comes with an OEM,etc.). Nest has a bit more mindshare right now - with Triplebyte, etc using them https://nestjs.com https://nestjs.com The good part is that it uses Express under the hood (which probably is ending up becoming the Rack of JavaScript middleware) ...so you get the third party ecosystem compatibility.
  - mooreds 8y ago
    I found this post a good overview of Ruby in 2019: https://naturaily.com/blog/who-gives-f-about-rails https://naturaily.com/blog/who-gives-f-about-rails
- tracer4201 8y ago
  It depends on the use case? Are you assuming everything is a web front-end?
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agumonkey 8y ago
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by zach43 8y ago

MuffinFlavored 8y ago

Why would anybody want to learn Ruby over say... node.js/Typescript these days?

mykowebhn 8y ago
I believe your question would be more poignant if you s/node\.js\/Typescript/python/ . There's a lot more overlap between the use cases for Ruby and Python. Just saying.
zach43 8y ago
i've always thought of Ruby as a very clean, elegant, ergonomic language to write tools in (based on a few months of experience working with it a few years ago). I'm familiar enough with JS that i would primarily use JS now for web stuff, but Ruby is quite a nice language to use, and I wouldn't be surprised if its easier for beginners to learn than JS. In any case I think that skills in any one of the popular 'big' higher level dynamically typed languages (Ruby, JS, Python) are fairly transferable to the others too.
- duncan-donuts 8y ago
  I remember people suggesting I learn javascript when I first started out. I found the syntax of ruby way easier to understand in those early days, and found ways to actually build stuff when I didn’t really know what I was doing. Now I sort of miss ruby (while writing node/typescript all day everyday).
- h1d 8y ago
  I agree. Mainly done PHP and Nodejs and lately helping on a ruby project but I like how it's more fun when other languages feel more tight. I feel too bad that Python had taken over the position of Ruby more or less.
bdcravens 8y ago
Same reason as you'd learn any language: job market (some areas have more openings for one language (for instance, in Houston, Ruby is slightly ahead of Node, and C# blows both of them away) or another or you need to work with projects written in that language (in the Ruby example, say you want to write a module for Metasploit or hack on Gitlab), etc. It's never as simple as focusing only on what the coolest web language is.
empath75 8y ago
Ruby is a beautifully designed language and that makes it worth learning on its own.
chrischattin 8y ago
Well, Rails is still the fastest way to build and iterate a web app that I know of... BY FAR. I volunteer to teach an intro to Rails class to folks getting ready to graduate a local code school and always enjoy watching their facial expressions as I live demo in about 15 min what they just spend the last couple months learning how to implement in the node/JS stack. Plus, Ruby is just a joy to work with. Hard to put a price on enjoying the language and framework you work with.
- dleslie 8y ago
  The magic of opinionated and reasonable defaults.
- shubham_sinha 8y ago
  When Node Js is taught people often teach Express framework. If someone teaches AdonisJs, it will have similar effect on audience as mentioned above.
  - dagoat 8y ago
    AdonisJs actually does look interesting. As a side point though, it is much less mature than rails. Just going off the age, and number of: commits/releases/contributors. Its GitHub pulse is also obviously not as “rapid” Rails also has a rich set of libraries in the form of gems - which AdonisJs most likely doesn’t rival Rails is also used/has been used in production by some major companies. Perhaps AdonisJs has been too, but it can’t be as many
  - sandGorgon 8y ago
    There is also Nest.js (which is Typescript based and also comes with an OEM,etc.). Nest has a bit more mindshare right now - with Triplebyte, etc using them https://nestjs.com https://nestjs.com The good part is that it uses Express under the hood (which probably is ending up becoming the Rack of JavaScript middleware) ...so you get the third party ecosystem compatibility.
- mooreds 8y ago
  I found this post a good overview of Ruby in 2019: https://naturaily.com/blog/who-gives-f-about-rails https://naturaily.com/blog/who-gives-f-about-rails
tracer4201 8y ago
It depends on the use case? Are you assuming everything is a web front-end?

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agumonkey 8y ago

I do like these https://learnxinyminutes.com/ https://learnxinyminutes.com/ very much