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OpenLisp – A Full and Efficient ISO/IEC 13816:2007(E) ISLISP Implementation

51 points by zephyrfalcon 8y ago

lIl1l 8y ago
Lisp can be surprisingly productive. What kind of projects have been made with OpenLisp? Anyone remember /r/place? https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/638zsn/high_res_final_image_of_rplaces_4399px_x_4402px/ https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/638zsn/high_res_fina... I wrote a clone of it in a few hours using pg's Arc lisp: https://bit.ly/2UNwwpP https://bit.ly/2UNwwpP Hopefully the server doesn't melt. It's holding up pretty well so far.
- cjullien 8y ago
  Please note that OpenLisp is not only an interpreter. It has also a lisp->C compiler that allows to write standalone executables. Speed is then timed with an average of x20 improvement. The source code is fully available to paid customers. They are allowed to embed a Lisp engine in their own applications. OpenLisp is free to use for non-commercial application. Open means Open to the world, not Open Source. See more on Wikipedia. How fast is the interpreter? Make your own benchs and see... Last but not least, it is extreeeeemnly portable. C.
mr_spothawk 8y ago
doubletake... OpenLisp is a commercial product that is sold with binaries and sources (excepted memory management and evaluator). Full source licenses to make ports may be discussed. judging by the linked charts, though... it's VERY fast. i recently bought a book about learning Lisp, and i'm enjoying it very very much. it's weird though.
- auvi 8y ago
  which book if you don't mind to share?
  - mr_spothawk 8y ago
    Land of Lisp
    - 4thaccount 8y ago
      I've been through that one a few times. I like the author's sense of humor and how he covers the history of lisp. He is one of several people to help the lisp revival. However, after going through the book I realized that there wasn't anything here I couldn't do in arguably less lines of code in Python. SBCL would of course run much faster at least. The prototypical niche languages (Lisp, Smalltalk, Forth, APL) are all amazing, but I've found that there are some good reasons they don't tend to take off. Some have been talked about on here ad nauseum though, so I will refrain from bringing it up. Best of luck in your journey. There are a lot of really great lisp books out there!
      - panzerklein 8y ago
        You might be interested in Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming by Peter Norvig. It showcases pretty amazing examples of conciseness and expressivity.
        4thaccount 8y ago
        I haven't "read" it, but have flipped through it (definitely not the same thing of course) and looked at Norvig's lisp and Python code and can say he is waaay smarter than I am :) It was a pleasure to read a bit of his work.
      - mr_spothawk 8y ago
        > Best of luck... thanks. this is my first programming book. about 13 years ago, a good friend turned me onto org-mode (and the emacs contagion, haha!). that kinda got me started on my developer journey. i recognized then that, for myself, i'd have to make a decision about what language to learn first, and it was a tossup between javascript (super popular at the time) and lisp. i'm primarily a javsacript dev these days, with a few applications in production. as i start getting my feet wet with react & python, it's interesting to learn these two in parallel with lisp (lambdas, anybody?). i like what i sense as the honesty of lisp, it's so much less encumbered with methods, etc... and somehow more inscrutable. i think i'll really like the data handling capabilities when i get my head wrapped around it, and i'm looking forward to some graph problems down the road. and then there's the passionate part of me that believes in foss/emacs & owning/contributing the entirety of my toolchain, so i'm doubly glad to be working with it in spac/emacs. for the sibling comments, thanks for the recommendations. i'll probably need to get a couple more books before i really grok it.
- emit_time 8y ago
  I just got my first developer position writing in Allegro Common Lisp, and I have to say I really enjoy the language, along with having an IDE that hooks into emacs [1][2]. For someone who is new to software development reading through the code is reasonable to do, and having a REPL at my disposal is quite nice. [1]: https://github.com/franzinc/eli https://github.com/franzinc/eli [2]: https://franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/eli.htm https://franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/eli.htm
sqldba 8y ago
OpenLisp but not actually Open. Of course.
- Koshkin 8y ago
  “Almost Lisp. Almost open. Fast. Almost.”
- kazinator 8y ago
  Open as in 1980's and 1990's "Open": X/Open, OpenLook, Open Software Foundation, OpenStep, Open Solaris, OpenGL, OpenMAX, ...
  - lispm 8y ago
    Open Genera
- finnjohnsen2 8y ago
  yea, that was unexpected and made me feel tricked into interrest in the software for a few minuttes
Koshkin 8y ago
OpenLisp is a ‘fast’ interpreter of the ISLisp programming language.
hk-mars 8y ago
Where are the sources code? I want to learn that:)
mark_l_watson 8y ago
I was 90 seconds into reading this article before I discovered that this is a commercial product, not open source. I am not criticizing it for being a commercial Lisp (I have happily used Franz in the past), but I feel like the naming could be better, e.g., ‘portable lisp’ instead of ‘open lisp.’
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a0-prw 8y ago
"OpenLisp is a KISS (Keep It Stupid Simple) full conforming implementation of..." You might want to rephrase that.

51 points by zephyrfalcon 8y ago

Lisp can be surprisingly productive. What kind of projects have been made with OpenLisp? Anyone remember /r/place? https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/638zsn/high_res_final_image_of_rplaces_4399px_x_4402px/ https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/638zsn/high_res_fina... I wrote a clone of it in a few hours using pg's Arc lisp: https://bit.ly/2UNwwpP https://bit.ly/2UNwwpP Hopefully the server doesn't melt. It's holding up pretty well so far.

cjullien 8y ago
Please note that OpenLisp is not only an interpreter. It has also a lisp->C compiler that allows to write standalone executables. Speed is then timed with an average of x20 improvement. The source code is fully available to paid customers. They are allowed to embed a Lisp engine in their own applications. OpenLisp is free to use for non-commercial application. Open means Open to the world, not Open Source. See more on Wikipedia. How fast is the interpreter? Make your own benchs and see... Last but not least, it is extreeeeemnly portable. C.

mr_spothawk 8y ago

doubletake... OpenLisp is a commercial product that is sold with binaries and sources (excepted memory management and evaluator). Full source licenses to make ports may be discussed. judging by the linked charts, though... it's VERY fast. i recently bought a book about learning Lisp, and i'm enjoying it very very much. it's weird though.

auvi 8y ago
which book if you don't mind to share?
- mr_spothawk 8y ago
  Land of Lisp
  - 4thaccount 8y ago
    I've been through that one a few times. I like the author's sense of humor and how he covers the history of lisp. He is one of several people to help the lisp revival. However, after going through the book I realized that there wasn't anything here I couldn't do in arguably less lines of code in Python. SBCL would of course run much faster at least. The prototypical niche languages (Lisp, Smalltalk, Forth, APL) are all amazing, but I've found that there are some good reasons they don't tend to take off. Some have been talked about on here ad nauseum though, so I will refrain from bringing it up. Best of luck in your journey. There are a lot of really great lisp books out there!
    - panzerklein 8y ago
      You might be interested in Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming by Peter Norvig. It showcases pretty amazing examples of conciseness and expressivity.
      - 4thaccount 8y ago
        I haven't "read" it, but have flipped through it (definitely not the same thing of course) and looked at Norvig's lisp and Python code and can say he is waaay smarter than I am :) It was a pleasure to read a bit of his work.
    - mr_spothawk 8y ago
      > Best of luck... thanks. this is my first programming book. about 13 years ago, a good friend turned me onto org-mode (and the emacs contagion, haha!). that kinda got me started on my developer journey. i recognized then that, for myself, i'd have to make a decision about what language to learn first, and it was a tossup between javascript (super popular at the time) and lisp. i'm primarily a javsacript dev these days, with a few applications in production. as i start getting my feet wet with react & python, it's interesting to learn these two in parallel with lisp (lambdas, anybody?). i like what i sense as the honesty of lisp, it's so much less encumbered with methods, etc... and somehow more inscrutable. i think i'll really like the data handling capabilities when i get my head wrapped around it, and i'm looking forward to some graph problems down the road. and then there's the passionate part of me that believes in foss/emacs & owning/contributing the entirety of my toolchain, so i'm doubly glad to be working with it in spac/emacs. for the sibling comments, thanks for the recommendations. i'll probably need to get a couple more books before i really grok it.
emit_time 8y ago
I just got my first developer position writing in Allegro Common Lisp, and I have to say I really enjoy the language, along with having an IDE that hooks into emacs [1][2]. For someone who is new to software development reading through the code is reasonable to do, and having a REPL at my disposal is quite nice. [1]: https://github.com/franzinc/eli https://github.com/franzinc/eli [2]: https://franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/eli.htm https://franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/eli.htm

sqldba 8y ago

OpenLisp but not actually Open. Of course.

Koshkin 8y ago
“Almost Lisp. Almost open. Fast. Almost.”
kazinator 8y ago
Open as in 1980's and 1990's "Open": X/Open, OpenLook, Open Software Foundation, OpenStep, Open Solaris, OpenGL, OpenMAX, ...
- lispm 8y ago
  Open Genera
finnjohnsen2 8y ago
yea, that was unexpected and made me feel tricked into interrest in the software for a few minuttes

Koshkin 8y ago

OpenLisp is a ‘fast’ interpreter of the ISLisp programming language.

hk-mars 8y ago

Where are the sources code? I want to learn that:)

mark_l_watson 8y ago

I was 90 seconds into reading this article before I discovered that this is a commercial product, not open source. I am not criticizing it for being a commercial Lisp (I have happily used Franz in the past), but I feel like the naming could be better, e.g., ‘portable lisp’ instead of ‘open lisp.’

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a0-prw 8y ago

"OpenLisp is a KISS (Keep It Stupid Simple) full conforming implementation of..." You might want to rephrase that.