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There is no such apparatus. Any property used in comission of a crime is forfit, no matter of original owner. Stolen guns, cars and cert are all treated the sam

There is no such apparatus. Any property used in comission of a crime is forfit, no matter of original owner. Stolen guns, cars and cert are all treated the same under the law. On the other hand, I get great deals at police auctions and never lend out my keys.

eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y ago
Yes, there is, it's called the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution. It's called the US legal system. That is the apparatus. You have no constitutional right to have a Google account. And you probably agreed to forced arbitration in the Google TOS and likely even agreed that Google can terminate your account for any reason, at any time, without cause. Good example: https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-tennessee-legally-steal-veterans-car https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-poli... Son commits crime using father's car and car is seized using civil forfeiture. The car has already been returned and the ACLU is fighting the police department in federal court: https://www.tba.org/sites/default/files/cain.complaint.pdf https://www.tba.org/sites/default/files/cain.complaint.pdf Not saying civil forfeiture doesn't need to be reigned in, it does, but there is a legal apparatus for getting your stuff back. I admit it gets trickier on things that cannot be traced easily, like cash, but I'm mostly responding to the OPs example of an innocent persons car being used in a crime by someone else. Another good example below where the owner of the vehicle committed a crime in the car they owned and the state tried to seize the vehicle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbs_v._Indiana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbs_v._Indiana So, I admit the legal system moves slow, but there is clearly a strong legal case for fighting these unlawful seizures.

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There is no such apparatus. Any property used in comission of a crime is forfit, no matter of original owner. Stolen guns, cars and cert are all treated the sam

by justtopost 8y ago

eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y ago
Yes, there is, it's called the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution. It's called the US legal system. That is the apparatus. You have no constitutional right to have a Google account. And you probably agreed to forced arbitration in the Google TOS and likely even agreed that Google can terminate your account for any reason, at any time, without cause. Good example: https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-tennessee-legally-steal-veterans-car https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-poli... Son commits crime using father's car and car is seized using civil forfeiture. The car has already been returned and the ACLU is fighting the police department in federal court: https://www.tba.org/sites/default/files/cain.complaint.pdf https://www.tba.org/sites/default/files/cain.complaint.pdf Not saying civil forfeiture doesn't need to be reigned in, it does, but there is a legal apparatus for getting your stuff back. I admit it gets trickier on things that cannot be traced easily, like cash, but I'm mostly responding to the OPs example of an innocent persons car being used in a crime by someone else. Another good example below where the owner of the vehicle committed a crime in the car they owned and the state tried to seize the vehicle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbs_v._Indiana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbs_v._Indiana So, I admit the legal system moves slow, but there is clearly a strong legal case for fighting these unlawful seizures.