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Using that logic, the CIA and almost every company in existence is functionally equivalent. This is just sloppy thinking. You have to show evidence for your op

Using that logic, the CIA and almost every company in existence is functionally equivalent. This is just sloppy thinking. You have to show evidence for your opinions. In this particular instance, do you have any specific evidence?

telchar 8y ago
You're completely ignoring historical context and engaging in whataboutism as well.
dinkudunk 8y ago
Did someone say United Fruit Company?
linkmotif 8y ago
China isn’t the United States. If you think they’re the same...
learc83 8y ago
I don't generally feel the need provide decades of historical context in a 2 line forum post. If you lack that context, feel free to ignore my comment and do some research.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  You're clearly missing a bit of nuance on the context if you call tencent the same thing as the Chinese government. You think the CCP would be making investments into foreign social networks that they block? I It makes no sense. There's limited leverage over Reddit for the same reason. Anyone accessing them from China does it over VPN anyways.
  - learc83 8y ago
    >You think the CCP would be making investments into foreign social networks that they block? No, that's why they are allowing Tencent to do it for them. You think this deal doesn't have CCP approval? Tencent has an executive Party Committee who's explicit purpose is to make sure the company is advancing the Party's goals.
    - yourbandsucks 8y ago
      There are 100 million party members in China. It's a big part of getting ahead. Of course the deal was approved in the boring sense. Neither that nor party membership mean that this is strategically interesting to the government.
      - learc83 8y ago
        So the largest companies in China going around buying up pieces of social media and entertainment companies around the world isn't strategically interesting? The Chinese government forced a US company to publicly apologise when their website merely listed Hong Kong on the same level as China in a dropdown. The government attempts to control the global narrative about China in any way they can. Of course they were involved with this.
        yourbandsucks 8y ago
        I'm trying to get something out of this comment beyond "any international business by Chinese companies is nefarious by definition", and I have to admit that I can't. I guess if they know their role and stick to manufacturing it's ok? As far as Hong Kong.. they've got a pretty fair reason to be oversensitive about westerners implying it's not part of China.
        learc83 8y ago
        What you should get out of it is that Chinese companies are effectively a proxy for the government. And the Chinese government operates the largest and most effective censorship program in the history of humanity. So maybe we don't want to sell them a stake in media and entertainment companies. >As far as Hong Kong.. they've got a pretty fair reason to be oversensitive about westerners implying it's not part of China. Maybe we should have let the people of Hong Kong vote on the issue. Regardless, they did the exact same thing with Taiwan.
        yourbandsucks 8y ago

telchar 8y ago

You're completely ignoring historical context and engaging in whataboutism as well.

dinkudunk 8y ago

Did someone say United Fruit Company?

linkmotif 8y ago

China isn’t the United States. If you think they’re the same...

learc83 8y ago

I don't generally feel the need provide decades of historical context in a 2 line forum post. If you lack that context, feel free to ignore my comment and do some research.

yourbandsucks 8y ago
You're clearly missing a bit of nuance on the context if you call tencent the same thing as the Chinese government. You think the CCP would be making investments into foreign social networks that they block? I It makes no sense. There's limited leverage over Reddit for the same reason. Anyone accessing them from China does it over VPN anyways.
- learc83 8y ago
  >You think the CCP would be making investments into foreign social networks that they block? No, that's why they are allowing Tencent to do it for them. You think this deal doesn't have CCP approval? Tencent has an executive Party Committee who's explicit purpose is to make sure the company is advancing the Party's goals.
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    There are 100 million party members in China. It's a big part of getting ahead. Of course the deal was approved in the boring sense. Neither that nor party membership mean that this is strategically interesting to the government.
    - learc83 8y ago
      So the largest companies in China going around buying up pieces of social media and entertainment companies around the world isn't strategically interesting? The Chinese government forced a US company to publicly apologise when their website merely listed Hong Kong on the same level as China in a dropdown. The government attempts to control the global narrative about China in any way they can. Of course they were involved with this.
      - yourbandsucks 8y ago
        I'm trying to get something out of this comment beyond "any international business by Chinese companies is nefarious by definition", and I have to admit that I can't. I guess if they know their role and stick to manufacturing it's ok? As far as Hong Kong.. they've got a pretty fair reason to be oversensitive about westerners implying it's not part of China.
        learc83 8y ago
        What you should get out of it is that Chinese companies are effectively a proxy for the government. And the Chinese government operates the largest and most effective censorship program in the history of humanity. So maybe we don't want to sell them a stake in media and entertainment companies. >As far as Hong Kong.. they've got a pretty fair reason to be oversensitive about westerners implying it's not part of China. Maybe we should have let the people of Hong Kong vote on the issue. Regardless, they did the exact same thing with Taiwan.
        yourbandsucks 8y ago