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Because the media says so. But they forget China increased their quality of life for the last 2 decades by producing cheap products like their iphones.
by Cypher 8y ago
Because the media says so. But they forget China increased their quality of life for the last 2 decades by producing cheap products like their iphones.
- vezycash 8y agoThe word cheap and iPhones don't go together.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y agoJust because iPhones are expensive compared to competing brands doesn't mean the hardware isn't vastly less expensive than it would be without China's inexpensive labor and lax environmental regulations.
- rangibaby 8y agoThey are expensive in their market - which the iPhone popularized - but even 1k for the amount of computer jammed into an iPhone is staggeringly cheap. 10 years ago 1k would get you a worse monitor... and that’s it.
- pfisch 8y agoSounds to me like you forgot about the Great Leap Forward. The largest genocide in history. At least 45 million people. But whatever, totalitarian governments are great right? Just take the people they don't like and put them to the wall or in prison camps.
- rjf72 8y agoCan you elaborate on your statement here? The Great Leap Forward was China aiming to create a socialist state, which is inherently totalitarian. And indeed it directly lead to massive famine, deaths, and repression as these efforts generally do. China has certainly changed for the positive from this era, which is what I believe the poster you were responding to was referencing. Much of the change has been driven by completely reshaping their economic system into an [internally] free market.
- rplst8 8y agoThey have not changed. Well, same wolf, new clothes made by sheep. They persecute religious groups, Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist alike. They control their laborers, harvest organs from prisoners, and they've been occupying Tibet since 1949 and actively pursue families that send their children to Buddhist schools.
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- chillacy 8y agoI think these are separate issues (but totally valid), the great leap forward wasn't made to persecute minorities insofar as... well the result of a state planned economy. The parent is pointing out that the great leap forward wouldn't happen again because of a switch to capitalism. You're saying the persecution of minorities hasn't changed, which is a different topic. Capitalist economies can still persecute minorities. That requires a different level of regard for human rights that doesn't exist there.
- pfisch 8y agoYou are too generous concerning the Great Leap Forward. It really wasn’t some unfortunate accident. There was clear intent to eliminate large swaths of the population of China.
- chillacy 8y agoA reading of wikipedia seems to imply poor execution of a program designed to industrialize in a top-down C&C economy. > Mao Zedong was so inspired by the slogan that China put forward its own objective: to catch up with and surpass the UK in 15 years. > Comrade Khrushchev has told us, the Soviet Union 15 years later will surpass the United States of America. I can also say, 15 years later, we may catch up with or exceed the UK.[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
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- yourbandsucks 8y agoGenocide requires intent. Kind of disrespectful to the dead to use them as pawns for an argument IMO.
- pfisch 8y agoThere are a lot of instances of the Chinese government intentionally directing food away from famine stricken areas. There was clear intent to starve out populations and political opponents.
- yourbandsucks 8y agoCitation needed. Explain to me how the four pests campaign was a deliberate plot.