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> The ID card is a critical document that impacts everyday life, without it, an individual cannot vote, purchase property, access higher education, obtain empl

> The ID card is a critical document that impacts everyday life, without it, an individual cannot vote, purchase property, access higher education, obtain employment, access credit, or public health, among other fundamental rights. It's the same in Belgium, France and I'd bet it's the same in any other European Union countries.

Jonnax 8y ago
Is your DNA embedded into your ID?
- johnchristopher 8y ago
  No. But neither is the ADN of Kenyan citizens so far. The quote is from a longer paragraph about the use of ID card. We use ID card for that too in the EU as a proxy for identification verification. The author seems to imply is bad per se. Hence my remark. We also have laws and activists to fight governments willing to associate those IDs with DNA, iris record, health, etc. But those data have nothing to do with your legal existence and your ability to prove it. FTR: I hope Kenyans will find a way to resist their government's move to associate such data with their ID.
x38iq84n 8y ago
And then there are civilised countries that do not have national ID, yet their citizens can vote, purchase property, access higher education, obtain employment, access credit, or public health, among other fundamental rights. Hence, national ID is clearly not necessary.
- pjc50 8y ago
  The UK now has half of this: you have to prove your right of residence in order to rent property, and you have to prove your right to work in order to work, but there isn't a national ID system to enable that. (The decision that people can't "vote, purchase property, access higher education, obtain employment, access credit, or public health, among other fundamental rights" without ID is a political one, it's not necessarily intrinsically required)
- dazc 8y ago
  In the UK we don't have national ID but try and do anything without a passport or driving licence.
  - krautsourced 8y ago
    Instead a weird mix of council tax bills or your last water bill's address or such is used as identification, which is hardly any better.
    - DanBC 8y ago
      People can get an idea of what's used to prove ID and address from this list. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proof-of-identity-checklist/proof-of-identity-checklist https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proof-of-identity...
- nestorD 8y ago
  The absence of national ID just means that a substitute, tat was not designed for this purpose (such as a driver's license), is used instead. This introduces its own set of problems as illustrated by this video on voter registration in the US : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd5Qs0fc_I0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd5Qs0fc_I0
- johnchristopher 8y ago
  What ? What makes you think such a flawed reasoning would convince anyone ?
dazc 8y ago
You can not 'officially' buy a sim card in a lot of european countries; the impact this has on criminality/terroism is probably negligable though?

Jonnax 8y ago

Is your DNA embedded into your ID?

johnchristopher 8y ago
No. But neither is the ADN of Kenyan citizens so far. The quote is from a longer paragraph about the use of ID card. We use ID card for that too in the EU as a proxy for identification verification. The author seems to imply is bad per se. Hence my remark. We also have laws and activists to fight governments willing to associate those IDs with DNA, iris record, health, etc. But those data have nothing to do with your legal existence and your ability to prove it. FTR: I hope Kenyans will find a way to resist their government's move to associate such data with their ID.

x38iq84n 8y ago

And then there are civilised countries that do not have national ID, yet their citizens can vote, purchase property, access higher education, obtain employment, access credit, or public health, among other fundamental rights. Hence, national ID is clearly not necessary.

pjc50 8y ago
The UK now has half of this: you have to prove your right of residence in order to rent property, and you have to prove your right to work in order to work, but there isn't a national ID system to enable that. (The decision that people can't "vote, purchase property, access higher education, obtain employment, access credit, or public health, among other fundamental rights" without ID is a political one, it's not necessarily intrinsically required)
dazc 8y ago
In the UK we don't have national ID but try and do anything without a passport or driving licence.
- krautsourced 8y ago
  Instead a weird mix of council tax bills or your last water bill's address or such is used as identification, which is hardly any better.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    People can get an idea of what's used to prove ID and address from this list. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proof-of-identity-checklist/proof-of-identity-checklist https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proof-of-identity...
nestorD 8y ago
The absence of national ID just means that a substitute, tat was not designed for this purpose (such as a driver's license), is used instead. This introduces its own set of problems as illustrated by this video on voter registration in the US : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd5Qs0fc_I0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd5Qs0fc_I0
johnchristopher 8y ago
What ? What makes you think such a flawed reasoning would convince anyone ?

dazc 8y ago

You can not 'officially' buy a sim card in a lot of european countries; the impact this has on criminality/terroism is probably negligable though?