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maybe for some cases, but then there are the government and industry bodies that have exabytes of data stored. if Amazon wont provide access to snowmobile to yo

by longstaff2009 8y ago

maybe for some cases, but then there are the government and industry bodies that have exabytes of data stored. if Amazon wont provide access to snowmobile to you it becomes problematic

avmich 8y ago
Well, if it gets really inconvenient, I'd assume the industry will be invited to help with them, but I don't see how France or Europe position is weaker. You generally don't fight with your customers, and there are good reasons for that.
- longstaff2009 8y ago
  For a token fine I would agree. If the scale of the fines where to increase from a level that can be written off as the cost of doing business to something more damaging, I think that could change things. Particularly as we are seeing a rise in nationalist political movements around the world.
lykr0n 8y ago
The thing about governments is that they can manifest their power in the form of people with guns showing up in places and forcing people to comply with them. If Amazon refuses to give back someone's data; if they are a government entity they show up to the Datacenter and put a gun to someones head. If they are a private entity, the sue Amazon, win, and then get a court order which they can have the police enforce.
- longstaff2009 8y ago
  Maybe, but if the French government where to send the army into an American companies datacenter, would America stand by? Particularly if tech lobbyists had been contributing heavily to political campaign donations?
  - rightbyte 8y ago
    France and the US has a military alliance. I think choosing side between Amazon and the french army would be easy decision in fawor of the side with the guns. If the value of Amazon in France is their customer list, then the government always will have more "customers" enlisted. The power of FANG is always one government decision away from being relativly zero to today. The opposit is hardly true except in really small or unstable states.

maybe for some cases, but then there are the government and industry bodies that have exabytes of data stored. if Amazon wont provide access to snowmobile to you it becomes problematic

avmich 8y ago

Well, if it gets really inconvenient, I'd assume the industry will be invited to help with them, but I don't see how France or Europe position is weaker. You generally don't fight with your customers, and there are good reasons for that.

longstaff2009 8y ago
For a token fine I would agree. If the scale of the fines where to increase from a level that can be written off as the cost of doing business to something more damaging, I think that could change things. Particularly as we are seeing a rise in nationalist political movements around the world.

lykr0n 8y ago

The thing about governments is that they can manifest their power in the form of people with guns showing up in places and forcing people to comply with them. If Amazon refuses to give back someone's data; if they are a government entity they show up to the Datacenter and put a gun to someones head. If they are a private entity, the sue Amazon, win, and then get a court order which they can have the police enforce.

longstaff2009 8y ago
Maybe, but if the French government where to send the army into an American companies datacenter, would America stand by? Particularly if tech lobbyists had been contributing heavily to political campaign donations?
- rightbyte 8y ago
  France and the US has a military alliance. I think choosing side between Amazon and the french army would be easy decision in fawor of the side with the guns. If the value of Amazon in France is their customer list, then the government always will have more "customers" enlisted. The power of FANG is always one government decision away from being relativly zero to today. The opposit is hardly true except in really small or unstable states.