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Great advice for a boxing or MMA match. For barfights: A) Don't. B) Swing first, while the guy's still jawing at you and before he thinks you'll actually d

by jbooth 16y ago

Great advice for a boxing or MMA match. For barfights: A) Don't. B) Swing first, while the guy's still jawing at you and before he thinks you'll actually do it. Don't threaten to punch someone or step outside, just punch them. A sucker punch is by far the best way to hit someone square in the jaw. C) Keep hitting him. Contrary to the article, there's one great time to kick someone in a fight, it's while they're down. D) Again, seriously, don't.

iuguy 16y ago
You forgot: E) Get enough space between you and your adversary to get away. To put it another way, if you have the upper hand then you're at risk of permanently injuring them if the fight continues. If they have the upper hand then you're at risk of being permanently injured. The best way to avoid this is to get away.
- nagrom 16y ago
  Absolutely. Furthermore - if you have the upper hand and can get away, then you are most likely committing a criminal offence by not doing so. The law doesn't recognise the idea that you have the right to lay into someone for being an asshole, or even for breaking your nose. If you can get away and don't, then you are at risk of prosecution.
PostOnce 16y ago
E] Pick up a chair and break it on their skull, kick them in the groin, gouge eyes, go for the throat, stomp head, whatever it takes to make them go down and stay down. You could be seriously hurt/killed in a fight, so don't give the other guy the opportunity to do it to you. If you're not willing to go that far, you shouldn't be fighting. If you can cause them to realize that this is not a game and you're not two kids slapping each other, and that this is a situation that could 1] get them killed and 2] be avoided they might give it a second thought.
- earnubs 16y ago
  Which action movie did you just walk in from? If you progress from bar fight to attempted murder like this what happens is people pull you off the guy, the police come, you get arrested. That's if you're lucky.
  - PostOnce 16y ago
    I guess we live in different places and people from different places approach things differently. I don't get in fights any more because I don't particularly feel like being hospitalized again, and some of my acquaintances are dead. If I have a choice, I walk away. But if I stay, the reason must be good enough for me to go hard instead of going home. The only place I've ever seen a fight broken up was at school, and even then, rarely. Teachers don't want to get hurt over nothing. So much for "people pull you off the guy". My point was just that, you can technically be killed with a single hit. Don't approach fights like you will be fine. Don't assume people will pull the guy off you. Your life is at risk regardless of how mundane it may seem. Take it seriously. While I'm lecturing, take driving your car seriously too. Flying down the road in a metal box surrounded by people who aren't paying attention isn't safe either. :P
- dkarl 16y ago
  I'm curious about this advice. It makes sense in a kill-or-be-killed scenario, but it seems like the people who habitually start fights want to hurt and humiliate somebody, establish their superiority, and feel like a badass, not kill or maim somebody. They have some (however strange) idea of what's acceptable violence and what's dirty. If you seriously gouge a guy's eyes but don't win the fight, his objective might change from beating you down to seriously hurting you in retaliation for your transgression. In a "social" fight where a guy thinks he is restoring his slighted masculinity or enforcing his idea of the proper order of the universe, I would think the better odds offered by fighting dirty would be outweighed by the possibly much worse outcome if you lose. Granted, you can get killed or seriously injured in any kind of fight, but why make it more likely? Does that make sense?
- aphyr 16y ago
  I'm not sure why you're voted negative for this. There are appropriate contexts for a restrained fight, to be sure: this advice may not be appropriate for an "honorable" bar-fight or a friend who's on meth. But this is similar to the techniques I'd use for self-defense in a desperate situation. The context of the article is that both diplomacy and escape have failed. Priority #1 is self-preservation. If you're a young woman walking to her car and a man wearing a hood comes running up, yeah, use the pepper spray. Pick up a brick. Grab your keys between your fingers and go for the eyes. Attack the eyes, groin, knees, throat, fingers, and arch of the foot, and yell for help the whole time. The instant you can move faster than he can, get out of there and call 911.
bmelton 16y ago
I've been in a number of bar fights, and I find that kicks to the legs work wonders. Of course, I train in mixed martial arts, and if poorly delivered, I agree, kicks are generally a losing proposition if you don't know what you're doing. The risk vs. reward is high -- also, if you're not in great shape, it takes much more energy (depleting stamina) to throw a kick than it does a punch. The only other major correction I just had to point out (to the article, not the parent who is basically right) is that while they do mention to circle, they don't specify where to. You should usually be circling to their 'weak' side, which is the shortest path toward their back -- for a southpaw, this is to their right, for a right-handed fighter, it's to their left (or counter-clockwise around them).
- runT1ME 16y ago
  >I've been in a number of bar fights, and I find that kicks to the legs work wonders. Of course, I train in mixed martial arts Lol. That's like saying "the best way to win a game of street ball is to just hit three pointers all the time. Oh yeah. I played college BBall for UCLA"...
  - bmelton 16y ago
    That was a poorly tacked together sentence. I don't think I've been in any bar fights since I started training in MMA. Furthermore, when I said 'leg', I really meant knee. However, I'd say that most of what they're teaching in the article is effectively useless without practicing it all, a bunch. The hardest part about getting in a fight, if you don't train for it, is not resorting to your basic instincts. For some, that is to swing wildly. For others, it might be running for the nearest exit. So yeah, a short kick to the knee is pretty good, especially if it's the first thing you do. You'll have time to think about it, and you aren't as likely to lose balance as you might doing a more complicated kick.
    - runT1ME 16y ago
      Heh. I'm just saying, for people who do train in martial arts, it's hard to say how well a technique works for someone completely untrained. I like to parry someone's punch and either Deashi Harai or if they come in to tackle, darce them. That doesn't help most people though. Maybe it's better to say don't get in fights, but if you're worried about getting in fights, train martial arts, and even then, don't get in fights. :-)
weeksie 16y ago
This is about the best advice out there. I got glassed in a barfight in Sydney once and the cat who did it knew what he was doing—snuck up behind me, shouted, glassed, kicked me a few times, and ran out the door. Fucking English backpackers. Anyway, the key is almost always surprise and making sure you finish the job to the point that you know you can escape without giving the guy a chance to get a shot at you. //edit: Just reread the article, and if you're facing two people DON'T fucking get into a corner. Move around so that one of them is blocking the other as much as possible and they can't both get to you. And stay the fuck off the ground.
- jbooth 16y ago
  I hope glassed doesn't mean you had a pintglass broken over your head/face. If so, glad you're ok, hope you didn't need surgery or anything. This stuff is no joke -- friend of a friend got killed in a barfight in southie once.. guy was one of those typical "its friday night, lets go pick a fight" guys, picked a fight with the wrong maniac. Knifer went to jail afterwards but that didn't really matter to the guy who was dead.
  - weeksie 16y ago
    Yup, it was a pint. I have a wicked scar over my left eye as a memento. I had to get stitches but I'm an Aussie citizen so I didn't have to pay for the ER. That said, try hailing a cab at 9:00am in Sydney with a busted hand (I caught up with him later, it's a long story) facial stitches, and a shirt covered in blood. But yeah, fighting is an incredibly bad idea. Sorry to hear about your mate, that sucks. //edit: This is a photo of me just after I got home that morning: http://droppingbombsonyourmom.com/photos/banged-up.jpg http://droppingbombsonyourmom.com/photos/banged-up.jpg
nagrom 16y ago
I was with you until A). Don't hit someone first. If you do, that's assault. It's only self-defense if they try to hit you first. Don't hit someone on the jaw. You'll hurt your hand and stun him very temporarily, if you don't just glance off - it's a stupid thing to do. If you absolutely must hit a man in the face, then hit him on the nose. You won't cause a lot of serious damage to him, you won't hurt your hand and his eyes will water so much that you can run away. Better is to hit him in the stomach as you run past him to the exit. Even better is to run past him to the exit without hitting him. Best is not to be so fucking stupid that you get into a fight in a bar in the first place. SO a stranger insults you - is your ego really so fragile that you give a shit? Don't kick someone while they're down. That's assault. They are unable to be aggressive to you while they are on the floor; if you hit them in that situation, you are at fault. If the bar has CCTV and people there can find you, you will be prosecuted and go to jail for malicious assault. If not, then you're still at fault. You don't wear spandex and you're not a superhero; your job is not to go around bars being a vigilante to assholes. If he's on the ground already, then just walk away. You got it right with D) again. Aside from A) and D), the rest of your post reads like a super-aggressive teenager who lacks experience, or someone who got continually picked on and harbours revenge fantasies - "Why, if I ever see that guy again...". If you go around getting into fights in bars, it doesn't matter how prepared or how fit or how fast you are. Eventually you'll make a mistake or meet someone better prepared, faster or fitter and end up in hospital, or dead. It's a really fucking stupid thing to do.
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- jbooth 16y ago
  Obviously you don't fight if you can avoid it. 2 of the 4 sentences in my post were about that, I dunno where you got off thinking I'm hyper aggressive and need a lecture about violence not solving anything. If you're in a situation where you think you have to fight, yes, you sucker punch the guy while he's leaning into you yelling stuff, hit him again if he's still on his feet, and then get the hell out of there. You don't read articles about how to win a boxing match. The comments about kicking were mostly a joke on the article.
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by jbooth 16y ago

iuguy 16y ago

You forgot: E) Get enough space between you and your adversary to get away. To put it another way, if you have the upper hand then you're at risk of permanently injuring them if the fight continues. If they have the upper hand then you're at risk of being permanently injured. The best way to avoid this is to get away.

nagrom 16y ago
Absolutely. Furthermore - if you have the upper hand and can get away, then you are most likely committing a criminal offence by not doing so. The law doesn't recognise the idea that you have the right to lay into someone for being an asshole, or even for breaking your nose. If you can get away and don't, then you are at risk of prosecution.

PostOnce 16y ago

E] Pick up a chair and break it on their skull, kick them in the groin, gouge eyes, go for the throat, stomp head, whatever it takes to make them go down and stay down. You could be seriously hurt/killed in a fight, so don't give the other guy the opportunity to do it to you. If you're not willing to go that far, you shouldn't be fighting. If you can cause them to realize that this is not a game and you're not two kids slapping each other, and that this is a situation that could 1] get them killed and 2] be avoided they might give it a second thought.

earnubs 16y ago
Which action movie did you just walk in from? If you progress from bar fight to attempted murder like this what happens is people pull you off the guy, the police come, you get arrested. That's if you're lucky.
- PostOnce 16y ago
  I guess we live in different places and people from different places approach things differently. I don't get in fights any more because I don't particularly feel like being hospitalized again, and some of my acquaintances are dead. If I have a choice, I walk away. But if I stay, the reason must be good enough for me to go hard instead of going home. The only place I've ever seen a fight broken up was at school, and even then, rarely. Teachers don't want to get hurt over nothing. So much for "people pull you off the guy". My point was just that, you can technically be killed with a single hit. Don't approach fights like you will be fine. Don't assume people will pull the guy off you. Your life is at risk regardless of how mundane it may seem. Take it seriously. While I'm lecturing, take driving your car seriously too. Flying down the road in a metal box surrounded by people who aren't paying attention isn't safe either. :P
dkarl 16y ago
I'm curious about this advice. It makes sense in a kill-or-be-killed scenario, but it seems like the people who habitually start fights want to hurt and humiliate somebody, establish their superiority, and feel like a badass, not kill or maim somebody. They have some (however strange) idea of what's acceptable violence and what's dirty. If you seriously gouge a guy's eyes but don't win the fight, his objective might change from beating you down to seriously hurting you in retaliation for your transgression. In a "social" fight where a guy thinks he is restoring his slighted masculinity or enforcing his idea of the proper order of the universe, I would think the better odds offered by fighting dirty would be outweighed by the possibly much worse outcome if you lose. Granted, you can get killed or seriously injured in any kind of fight, but why make it more likely? Does that make sense?
aphyr 16y ago
I'm not sure why you're voted negative for this. There are appropriate contexts for a restrained fight, to be sure: this advice may not be appropriate for an "honorable" bar-fight or a friend who's on meth. But this is similar to the techniques I'd use for self-defense in a desperate situation. The context of the article is that both diplomacy and escape have failed. Priority #1 is self-preservation. If you're a young woman walking to her car and a man wearing a hood comes running up, yeah, use the pepper spray. Pick up a brick. Grab your keys between your fingers and go for the eyes. Attack the eyes, groin, knees, throat, fingers, and arch of the foot, and yell for help the whole time. The instant you can move faster than he can, get out of there and call 911.

bmelton 16y ago

I've been in a number of bar fights, and I find that kicks to the legs work wonders. Of course, I train in mixed martial arts, and if poorly delivered, I agree, kicks are generally a losing proposition if you don't know what you're doing. The risk vs. reward is high -- also, if you're not in great shape, it takes much more energy (depleting stamina) to throw a kick than it does a punch. The only other major correction I just had to point out (to the article, not the parent who is basically right) is that while they do mention to circle, they don't specify where to. You should usually be circling to their 'weak' side, which is the shortest path toward their back -- for a southpaw, this is to their right, for a right-handed fighter, it's to their left (or counter-clockwise around them).

runT1ME 16y ago
>I've been in a number of bar fights, and I find that kicks to the legs work wonders. Of course, I train in mixed martial arts Lol. That's like saying "the best way to win a game of street ball is to just hit three pointers all the time. Oh yeah. I played college BBall for UCLA"...
- bmelton 16y ago
  That was a poorly tacked together sentence. I don't think I've been in any bar fights since I started training in MMA. Furthermore, when I said 'leg', I really meant knee. However, I'd say that most of what they're teaching in the article is effectively useless without practicing it all, a bunch. The hardest part about getting in a fight, if you don't train for it, is not resorting to your basic instincts. For some, that is to swing wildly. For others, it might be running for the nearest exit. So yeah, a short kick to the knee is pretty good, especially if it's the first thing you do. You'll have time to think about it, and you aren't as likely to lose balance as you might doing a more complicated kick.
  - runT1ME 16y ago
    Heh. I'm just saying, for people who do train in martial arts, it's hard to say how well a technique works for someone completely untrained. I like to parry someone's punch and either Deashi Harai or if they come in to tackle, darce them. That doesn't help most people though. Maybe it's better to say don't get in fights, but if you're worried about getting in fights, train martial arts, and even then, don't get in fights. :-)

weeksie 16y ago

This is about the best advice out there. I got glassed in a barfight in Sydney once and the cat who did it knew what he was doing—snuck up behind me, shouted, glassed, kicked me a few times, and ran out the door. Fucking English backpackers. Anyway, the key is almost always surprise and making sure you finish the job to the point that you know you can escape without giving the guy a chance to get a shot at you. //edit: Just reread the article, and if you're facing two people DON'T fucking get into a corner. Move around so that one of them is blocking the other as much as possible and they can't both get to you. And stay the fuck off the ground.

jbooth 16y ago
I hope glassed doesn't mean you had a pintglass broken over your head/face. If so, glad you're ok, hope you didn't need surgery or anything. This stuff is no joke -- friend of a friend got killed in a barfight in southie once.. guy was one of those typical "its friday night, lets go pick a fight" guys, picked a fight with the wrong maniac. Knifer went to jail afterwards but that didn't really matter to the guy who was dead.
- weeksie 16y ago
  Yup, it was a pint. I have a wicked scar over my left eye as a memento. I had to get stitches but I'm an Aussie citizen so I didn't have to pay for the ER. That said, try hailing a cab at 9:00am in Sydney with a busted hand (I caught up with him later, it's a long story) facial stitches, and a shirt covered in blood. But yeah, fighting is an incredibly bad idea. Sorry to hear about your mate, that sucks. //edit: This is a photo of me just after I got home that morning: http://droppingbombsonyourmom.com/photos/banged-up.jpg http://droppingbombsonyourmom.com/photos/banged-up.jpg

nagrom 16y ago

I was with you until A). Don't hit someone first. If you do, that's assault. It's only self-defense if they try to hit you first. Don't hit someone on the jaw. You'll hurt your hand and stun him very temporarily, if you don't just glance off - it's a stupid thing to do. If you absolutely must hit a man in the face, then hit him on the nose. You won't cause a lot of serious damage to him, you won't hurt your hand and his eyes will water so much that you can run away. Better is to hit him in the stomach as you run past him to the exit. Even better is to run past him to the exit without hitting him. Best is not to be so fucking stupid that you get into a fight in a bar in the first place. SO a stranger insults you - is your ego really so fragile that you give a shit? Don't kick someone while they're down. That's assault. They are unable to be aggressive to you while they are on the floor; if you hit them in that situation, you are at fault. If the bar has CCTV and people there can find you, you will be prosecuted and go to jail for malicious assault. If not, then you're still at fault. You don't wear spandex and you're not a superhero; your job is not to go around bars being a vigilante to assholes. If he's on the ground already, then just walk away. You got it right with D) again. Aside from A) and D), the rest of your post reads like a super-aggressive teenager who lacks experience, or someone who got continually picked on and harbours revenge fantasies - "Why, if I ever see that guy again...". If you go around getting into fights in bars, it doesn't matter how prepared or how fit or how fast you are. Eventually you'll make a mistake or meet someone better prepared, faster or fitter and end up in hospital, or dead. It's a really fucking stupid thing to do.

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jbooth 16y ago
Obviously you don't fight if you can avoid it. 2 of the 4 sentences in my post were about that, I dunno where you got off thinking I'm hyper aggressive and need a lecture about violence not solving anything. If you're in a situation where you think you have to fight, yes, you sucker punch the guy while he's leaning into you yelling stuff, hit him again if he's still on his feet, and then get the hell out of there. You don't read articles about how to win a boxing match. The comments about kicking were mostly a joke on the article.
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