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I had a lot of problems making Japanese text on ichi.moe display correctly. I'm using lang="ja" instead of lang="ja-jp" though, it seems to work and is shorter.

by Grue3 8y ago

I had a lot of problems making Japanese text on ichi.moe display correctly. I'm using lang="ja" instead of lang="ja-jp" though, it seems to work and is shorter. The main problem with Japanese characters displayed in Chinese font (which happens when lang property is not set explicitly) is that some characters are barely recognizable as the same character. Compare 誤 in a Chinese font and a Japanese font. [1] Yep, this is the same character according to Unicode. Imagine if Latin letter g, Cyrillic г and Greek 𝛾 had the same Unicode codepoint. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%AA%A4 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%AA%A4

fireattack 8y ago
lang="ja" absolutely should work [1], so I have no idea why it doesn't on your website. Maybe it's related to font you specified which may directly or indirectly (fallback) cause the problem. After all, `font-family` overrides language (which essentially just helps to get the right font(s)). If you don't mind to provide a test page I can help debugging. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fireattack/sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fireattack/sandbox
- Grue3 8y ago
  You misunderstood me, it does work on my website, I just had to do a lot of work to insert this attribute in all the right places where Japanese text can be displayed.
  - fireattack 8y ago
    Ah you're right, sorry!
bgee 8y ago
Can you explain more about the 誤 example you provided? When you say it's barely recognizable, do you mean simplified vs traditional? Because to me (as a native Chinese speaker) the Japanese and traditional look almost identical. I can't comment on traditional vs simplified because I can read both. If it's simplified vs traditional, I wonder why OS/browser prefers to render the character in simplified form (I assume the Chinese font you are using has both styles).
- fenomas 8y ago
  > the Japanese and traditional look almost identical They have different radicals on the lower right. Unless there's some reason to consider the two radicals equivalent (there isn't in JP, I wouldn't know about CN) they're different characters.
  - titanix2 8y ago
    Still it’s the same character. Enjoy the 16 others variants: http://dict.variants.moe.edu.tw/variants/rbt/word_attribute.rbt?quote_code=QTAzODM4LTAxMA http://dict.variants.moe.edu.tw/variants/rbt/word_attribute....
    - fenomas 8y ago
      They are considered variants of each other for linguistic reasons, but that's not what GP was talking about. GP suggested the characters look almost identical, and I'm pointing out that they clearly don't.
- Grue3 8y ago
  For reference this is what I see in my browser: https://imgur.com/a/F3pFzCm https://imgur.com/a/F3pFzCm

by Grue3 8y ago

fireattack 8y ago

lang="ja" absolutely should work [1], so I have no idea why it doesn't on your website. Maybe it's related to font you specified which may directly or indirectly (fallback) cause the problem. After all, `font-family` overrides language (which essentially just helps to get the right font(s)). If you don't mind to provide a test page I can help debugging. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fireattack/sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fireattack/sandbox

Grue3 8y ago
You misunderstood me, it does work on my website, I just had to do a lot of work to insert this attribute in all the right places where Japanese text can be displayed.
- fireattack 8y ago
  Ah you're right, sorry!

bgee 8y ago

Can you explain more about the 誤 example you provided? When you say it's barely recognizable, do you mean simplified vs traditional? Because to me (as a native Chinese speaker) the Japanese and traditional look almost identical. I can't comment on traditional vs simplified because I can read both. If it's simplified vs traditional, I wonder why OS/browser prefers to render the character in simplified form (I assume the Chinese font you are using has both styles).

fenomas 8y ago
> the Japanese and traditional look almost identical They have different radicals on the lower right. Unless there's some reason to consider the two radicals equivalent (there isn't in JP, I wouldn't know about CN) they're different characters.
- titanix2 8y ago
  Still it’s the same character. Enjoy the 16 others variants: http://dict.variants.moe.edu.tw/variants/rbt/word_attribute.rbt?quote_code=QTAzODM4LTAxMA http://dict.variants.moe.edu.tw/variants/rbt/word_attribute....
  - fenomas 8y ago
    They are considered variants of each other for linguistic reasons, but that's not what GP was talking about. GP suggested the characters look almost identical, and I'm pointing out that they clearly don't.
Grue3 8y ago
For reference this is what I see in my browser: https://imgur.com/a/F3pFzCm https://imgur.com/a/F3pFzCm