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You get married. The agreement between you and your significant other is that both parties will be faithful and to perform various duties within the relationsh

by jsgo 8y ago

You get married. The agreement between you and your significant other is that both parties will be faithful and to perform various duties within the relationship. Also, if the marriage is ended, both parties leave with their individual things/pay/etc. You decide to play the field. Your significant other decides to leave you and you are now responsible for the tasks/financials that your significant other previously assisted with. In agreements, you can't pick and choose the terms of the agreement you're willing to subject yourself to once they're settled (beyond renegotiating). In the Spotify case, they literally get nothing out of the arrangement if someone blocks their ads on the free tier whereas the person blocking said ads would be of the belief they're owed limitless listening to free music? That's pretty comical.

drewmol 8y ago
>once they're settled... Should I be expected to monitor changes to a living document that I never read in the first place in order to know whether the current version means I am married to Spotify and act accordingly? Spotify is the one who defaulted first by not providing me the limitless free music I am owed.
- jsgo 8y ago
  If the terms change, they contact you that they changed. At that point, yeah, you’re bound by new terms if you continue using the service. That’s kind of been the way things have been since the advent of Internet services in general. I’m curious how you’re certain they defaulted first when you state that you never read the document in the first place.
  - jammygit 8y ago
    Do they contact you? Most terms of service just say 'revisit here constantly in case we changed something'
    - jsgo 8y ago
      I used Spotify during a Sprint promo (when they were my carrier way back when). At one point, I received an email stating that an update to the terms was made. I imagine they still do this, but I guess they could just as easily have stopped, not certain. A lot of services that I’ve signed up with will announce new terms either via email (quick search of my email lists the most recent ones as Papa Johns, PlayStation, Disney Movie Rewards, Skype, Gamestop) or on next launch of app (Blizzard and Steam being prominent ones off the top of my head). I don’t know many that announce they will in advance though (ie at sign up saying they’ll communicate changes to you), so probably better to be proactive than reactive? I don’t know.
  - drewmol 8y ago
    >I’m curious how you’re certain they defaulted. I'm sorry that was sarcasm. I didn't make any assumptions I just clicked the box or button or whatever.
logifail 8y ago
>> Also, if the marriage is ended, both parties leave with their individual things/pay/etc... Q: Would Spotify refund users that they ban?
- jsmeaton 8y ago
  Sure they would. The $0 the user spent on the service.
- murderfs 8y ago
  Refund them what? They're not paying anything.
hanspeter 8y ago
Can you point to the part of the Spotify ToC, where you agree not to block ads? I haven't been able to find anything about it.
- jsgo 8y ago
  You agree that they can serve them to you. Blocking them kind of stops that, yeah? 8 Rights you grant us In consideration for the rights granted to you under the Agreements, you grant us the right (1) to allow the Spotify Service to use the processor, bandwidth, and storage hardware on your Device in order to facilitate the operation of the Service, (2) to provide advertising and other information to you, and (3) to allow our business partners to do the same. In any part of the Spotify Service, the Content you access, including its selection and placement, may be influenced by commercial considerations, including Spotify’s agreements with third parties. Some Content licensed by, provided to, created by or otherwise made available by Spotify (e.g. podcasts) may contain advertising as part of the Content. The Spotify Service makes such Content available to you unmodified.
  - hanspeter 8y ago
    Granting Spotify rights means that the user allow them to show them ads. It's in there to protect Spotify. A user agrees not to sue them, if Spotify put ads on their phone. It has nothing to do with whatever the user does to avoid being exposed to those ads.
    - jsgo 8y ago
      That’s a very interesting take. What prior legal action justifies it? This seems more akin to cable services here. For all intents and purposes, all of the channels they provide are served to the home, but they then restrict based off the package you’re paying for. In Spotify’s case instead of restricting (unless they have premium only channels/content), they’re adding advertisements. To block the ads is analogous to using a method to remove the restriction on channels you can access, and the typical remedy is to terminate the service to that customer and/or seeking civil remedies.

by jsgo 8y ago

drewmol 8y ago

>once they're settled... Should I be expected to monitor changes to a living document that I never read in the first place in order to know whether the current version means I am married to Spotify and act accordingly? Spotify is the one who defaulted first by not providing me the limitless free music I am owed.

jsgo 8y ago
If the terms change, they contact you that they changed. At that point, yeah, you’re bound by new terms if you continue using the service. That’s kind of been the way things have been since the advent of Internet services in general. I’m curious how you’re certain they defaulted first when you state that you never read the document in the first place.
- jammygit 8y ago
  Do they contact you? Most terms of service just say 'revisit here constantly in case we changed something'
  - jsgo 8y ago
    I used Spotify during a Sprint promo (when they were my carrier way back when). At one point, I received an email stating that an update to the terms was made. I imagine they still do this, but I guess they could just as easily have stopped, not certain. A lot of services that I’ve signed up with will announce new terms either via email (quick search of my email lists the most recent ones as Papa Johns, PlayStation, Disney Movie Rewards, Skype, Gamestop) or on next launch of app (Blizzard and Steam being prominent ones off the top of my head). I don’t know many that announce they will in advance though (ie at sign up saying they’ll communicate changes to you), so probably better to be proactive than reactive? I don’t know.
- drewmol 8y ago
  >I’m curious how you’re certain they defaulted. I'm sorry that was sarcasm. I didn't make any assumptions I just clicked the box or button or whatever.

logifail 8y ago

>> Also, if the marriage is ended, both parties leave with their individual things/pay/etc... Q: Would Spotify refund users that they ban?

jsmeaton 8y ago
Sure they would. The $0 the user spent on the service.
murderfs 8y ago
Refund them what? They're not paying anything.

hanspeter 8y ago

Can you point to the part of the Spotify ToC, where you agree not to block ads? I haven't been able to find anything about it.

jsgo 8y ago
You agree that they can serve them to you. Blocking them kind of stops that, yeah? 8 Rights you grant us In consideration for the rights granted to you under the Agreements, you grant us the right (1) to allow the Spotify Service to use the processor, bandwidth, and storage hardware on your Device in order to facilitate the operation of the Service, (2) to provide advertising and other information to you, and (3) to allow our business partners to do the same. In any part of the Spotify Service, the Content you access, including its selection and placement, may be influenced by commercial considerations, including Spotify’s agreements with third parties. Some Content licensed by, provided to, created by or otherwise made available by Spotify (e.g. podcasts) may contain advertising as part of the Content. The Spotify Service makes such Content available to you unmodified.
- hanspeter 8y ago
  Granting Spotify rights means that the user allow them to show them ads. It's in there to protect Spotify. A user agrees not to sue them, if Spotify put ads on their phone. It has nothing to do with whatever the user does to avoid being exposed to those ads.
  - jsgo 8y ago
    That’s a very interesting take. What prior legal action justifies it? This seems more akin to cable services here. For all intents and purposes, all of the channels they provide are served to the home, but they then restrict based off the package you’re paying for. In Spotify’s case instead of restricting (unless they have premium only channels/content), they’re adding advertisements. To block the ads is analogous to using a method to remove the restriction on channels you can access, and the typical remedy is to terminate the service to that customer and/or seeking civil remedies.