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Many of the open source journals are predatory. And they will publish anything, even complete junk. The problem isn't academic administers demanding publicatio

Many of the open source journals are predatory. And they will publish anything, even complete junk. The problem isn't academic administers demanding publication in recognized journals. Its that they charge steep prices in the first place.

whatshisface 8y ago
Open source means that the source code is available, not that you can get the product for free.
- wolfgke 8y ago
  > Open source means that the source code is available, not that you can get the product for free. But open source means that the work can be copied freely - which leads to marginal costs of near 0 €$.
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    Open source implies does-not-cost-anything, but does-not-cost-anything does not imply open source. Open access journals would only be open source if they, you know, made available source code (or source something).
    - jshowa3 8y ago
      Open source doesn't imply "does-not-cost-anything" at all considering you can still sell open source applications. And yeah, open access is a better word.
      - whatshisface 8y ago
        As wolfgke said, open source means that the work can be copied freely - which leads to marginal costs of near 0 €$.
refurb 8y ago
I think you just created a good argument about the value add of journals! Everyone says "they do nothing!", but what they have, that other people want is a reputation for high impact, important publications. If you get your paper published in Nature, your work will be very highly regarded. The argument about how much money it's worth to pay for that is another discussion entirely.
- logifail 8y ago
  >> high impact Careful! Even the data on which journals are "high impact" is now proprietary.[0] No, of course it ought not to be this way. [0] https://www.scirp.org/journal/Journalcitationdetails.aspx?JournalID=1486 https://www.scirp.org/journal/Journalcitationdetails.aspx?Jo...
yesenadam 8y ago
Inside the Fake Science Factory is an amazing 2hr talk talk from DEFCON 2018 by 2 German journalists and a British science guy about an investigation into the world of predatory fake journals, conferences, websites. 400,000 scientists involved. Unbelievably huge scam. They wrote bogus papers and presented one at a fake conference. It's a funny talk, if depressing. A great investigation. Maybe the worst is that these fake scientific credentials are then used to sell useless products to dying people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ras_VYgA77Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ras_VYgA77Q

whatshisface 8y ago

Open source means that the source code is available, not that you can get the product for free.

wolfgke 8y ago
> Open source means that the source code is available, not that you can get the product for free. But open source means that the work can be copied freely - which leads to marginal costs of near 0 €$.
- whatshisface 8y ago
  Open source implies does-not-cost-anything, but does-not-cost-anything does not imply open source. Open access journals would only be open source if they, you know, made available source code (or source something).
  - jshowa3 8y ago
    Open source doesn't imply "does-not-cost-anything" at all considering you can still sell open source applications. And yeah, open access is a better word.
    - whatshisface 8y ago
      As wolfgke said, open source means that the work can be copied freely - which leads to marginal costs of near 0 €$.

refurb 8y ago

I think you just created a good argument about the value add of journals! Everyone says "they do nothing!", but what they have, that other people want is a reputation for high impact, important publications. If you get your paper published in Nature, your work will be very highly regarded. The argument about how much money it's worth to pay for that is another discussion entirely.

logifail 8y ago
>> high impact Careful! Even the data on which journals are "high impact" is now proprietary.[0] No, of course it ought not to be this way. [0] https://www.scirp.org/journal/Journalcitationdetails.aspx?JournalID=1486 https://www.scirp.org/journal/Journalcitationdetails.aspx?Jo...

yesenadam 8y ago

Inside the Fake Science Factory is an amazing 2hr talk talk from DEFCON 2018 by 2 German journalists and a British science guy about an investigation into the world of predatory fake journals, conferences, websites. 400,000 scientists involved. Unbelievably huge scam. They wrote bogus papers and presented one at a fake conference. It's a funny talk, if depressing. A great investigation. Maybe the worst is that these fake scientific credentials are then used to sell useless products to dying people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ras_VYgA77Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ras_VYgA77Q