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More of a stretch, but we should also get rid of copyright overall, so anyone who wants to share any such valuable research or other cultural works can just do

More of a stretch, but we should also get rid of copyright overall, so anyone who wants to share any such valuable research or other cultural works can just do so.

magduf 8y ago
If you want to place your work in the public domain, you're free to do so. Copyright law isn't preventing this. Copyright law certainly has major issues, I'll agree, but it does not prevent you from sharing things if you want to, provided you created them or own them.
- fredbo22 8y ago
  Yes. I agree. The authors have had the solution in front of them from the beginning. They've been free to send out free copies from the time they finish. But if they want the advantages that come from journals, well, someone is going to need to pay for them.
  - asdff 8y ago
    If you email any author I guarantee they will send you a PDF of the paper.
    - wolfgke 8y ago
      > If you email any author I guarantee they will send you a PDF of the paper. So let us create a website that for a given paywalled URL automatically emails the authors for a PDF. ;-)
      - pessimizer 8y ago
        I'm pretty sure someone actually did that. Google around for it.
    - panic 8y ago
      Not all authors will respond to email promptly. And many have retired or even died -- there are decades-old papers still behind paywalls.
- OskarS 8y ago
  > If you want to place your work in the public domain, you're free to do so. Fun fact: in many places, you actually can't. You can sign over copyright to someone else, or you can give anyone permission to do whatever, but many legal systems have no concept of "disclaiming copyright". You have it, whether you like it or not. This is why it is frequently advised against putting "I put this code in the public domain" as your open source licensing term. It has no legal meaning in many places, which means that it's not properly licensed at all (i.e. full copyright applies).
  - zerocrates 8y ago
    CC0 is a pretty solid solution to this problem, though.
    - asdff 8y ago
      That won't fly in every journal.
- asdff 8y ago
  For some journals part of the submission process waives your personal copyright.
  - magduf 8y ago
    That's because, when you give something to someone else, it's not yours any more. This isn't rocket science. Same goes with copyright: if you give your creation away to someone else, it's not yours any more, it's theirs. The simple answer is to not give ownership away to someone if you want to put it in the public domain, or otherwise do something with it that this other party wouldn't agree to. If you give your car away to someone else, why would you be mad that you can't just use it at random times?
- quadrangle 8y ago
  "your work"… thing is, all creativity is derivative. The actual result of "your work" is itself limited when the resources to draw upon exclude all sorts of stuff limited by copyright and patent laws. I do release everything where I have copyright under free/libre/open terms. But that's not enough to cover the concerns I'm referring to. I'm saying copyright should be eliminated because it's in the public interest to have more open access (both plainly and for derivative use) to all resrouces

More of a stretch, but we should also get rid of copyright overall, so anyone who wants to share any such valuable research or other cultural works can just do so.

magduf 8y ago

If you want to place your work in the public domain, you're free to do so. Copyright law isn't preventing this. Copyright law certainly has major issues, I'll agree, but it does not prevent you from sharing things if you want to, provided you created them or own them.

fredbo22 8y ago
Yes. I agree. The authors have had the solution in front of them from the beginning. They've been free to send out free copies from the time they finish. But if they want the advantages that come from journals, well, someone is going to need to pay for them.
- asdff 8y ago
  If you email any author I guarantee they will send you a PDF of the paper.
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > If you email any author I guarantee they will send you a PDF of the paper. So let us create a website that for a given paywalled URL automatically emails the authors for a PDF. ;-)
    - pessimizer 8y ago
      I'm pretty sure someone actually did that. Google around for it.
  - panic 8y ago
    Not all authors will respond to email promptly. And many have retired or even died -- there are decades-old papers still behind paywalls.
OskarS 8y ago
> If you want to place your work in the public domain, you're free to do so. Fun fact: in many places, you actually can't. You can sign over copyright to someone else, or you can give anyone permission to do whatever, but many legal systems have no concept of "disclaiming copyright". You have it, whether you like it or not. This is why it is frequently advised against putting "I put this code in the public domain" as your open source licensing term. It has no legal meaning in many places, which means that it's not properly licensed at all (i.e. full copyright applies).
- zerocrates 8y ago
  CC0 is a pretty solid solution to this problem, though.
  - asdff 8y ago
    That won't fly in every journal.
asdff 8y ago
For some journals part of the submission process waives your personal copyright.
- magduf 8y ago
  That's because, when you give something to someone else, it's not yours any more. This isn't rocket science. Same goes with copyright: if you give your creation away to someone else, it's not yours any more, it's theirs. The simple answer is to not give ownership away to someone if you want to put it in the public domain, or otherwise do something with it that this other party wouldn't agree to. If you give your car away to someone else, why would you be mad that you can't just use it at random times?
quadrangle 8y ago
"your work"… thing is, all creativity is derivative. The actual result of "your work" is itself limited when the resources to draw upon exclude all sorts of stuff limited by copyright and patent laws. I do release everything where I have copyright under free/libre/open terms. But that's not enough to cover the concerns I'm referring to. I'm saying copyright should be eliminated because it's in the public interest to have more open access (both plainly and for derivative use) to all resrouces