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Good! As a network engineer I condemn the use of Huawei network equipment. They are a prime example of blatant intellectual property theft and backdoor spying f

Good! As a network engineer I condemn the use of Huawei network equipment. They are a prime example of blatant intellectual property theft and backdoor spying for the Chinese intelligence apparatus. If your company uses this gear you are exposing everyone on your network to state level hacking. edit: I was involved designing datacenters in China and one of our requirements was the network gear was all American. During a visit we were asked to coordinate with an engineer from ChinaTelecom to figure out where to place Gov. deep packet inspection devices on the backbone network. My take away from this was it was easier for them to add additional equipment than to hack the American routers.

craftyguy 8y ago
> If your company uses this gear you are exposing everyone on your network to state level hacking. Why do you automatically assume that equipment made in the US (or any other country) is magically immune to 'state level hacking' by the country that made it? IMHO, this is more of a power move to encourage folks to use equipment the US government has control over to do with as they please. In other words, trading one 'state level hacking' opportunity for another. But in this case, the other is close enough to pay you a visit.
- rudolph9 8y ago
  Pick your poison. Although there are many examples of corruption and human rights violations in the US, compared to China US-citizens have significantly more leverage over their government and arguably more power to push back on this kind of surveillance. A good example of this is Google encrypting network traffic between servers after the Snowden stuff was made public. https://gmail.googleblog.com/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of-email-security.html?m=1 https://gmail.googleblog.com/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of...
  - magduf 8y ago
    Yes, but practically speaking, China has almost no power at all to bother you if they successfully spy on you, aside of course from passing any secrets they learn from you to your Chinese competitors. The US, on the other hand, is where you're located (in this example) and can easily use any information gained against you in a large multitude of ways. Basically, everyone would probably be better off just assuming any network gear has backdoors open to the government of the country that it came from, then just adopting security policies to mitigate this, and buying network gear from countries that aren't their own.
- solotronics 8y ago
  Look no further than Tiananmen square to see the true face of communist China. They executed thousands of protesters with the military that day. Today they make dissenters disappear into a work camp prison and organ harvesting complex. I love the Chinese people and hope the government can change but they do not have a good human rights record.
drallison 8y ago
"They [Huawei] are a prime example of blatant intellectual property theft and backdoor spying for the Chinese intelligence apparatus." Can you cite evidence for this. Do you have direct personal evidence for this statement?
- solotronics 8y ago
  https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/chinese-company-installed-secret-backdoor-on-hundreds-of-thousands-of-phones/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/chine... from Hayden the former head of the NSA: https://money.cnn.com/2013/07/19/news/huawei-china-spy/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2013/07/19/news/huawei-china-spy/index... also their code for routers was a direct copy of cisco IOS for years they didnt even try to hide it: https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-correcting-the-record https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-c...

craftyguy 8y ago

> If your company uses this gear you are exposing everyone on your network to state level hacking. Why do you automatically assume that equipment made in the US (or any other country) is magically immune to 'state level hacking' by the country that made it? IMHO, this is more of a power move to encourage folks to use equipment the US government has control over to do with as they please. In other words, trading one 'state level hacking' opportunity for another. But in this case, the other is close enough to pay you a visit.

rudolph9 8y ago
Pick your poison. Although there are many examples of corruption and human rights violations in the US, compared to China US-citizens have significantly more leverage over their government and arguably more power to push back on this kind of surveillance. A good example of this is Google encrypting network traffic between servers after the Snowden stuff was made public. https://gmail.googleblog.com/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of-email-security.html?m=1 https://gmail.googleblog.com/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of...
- magduf 8y ago
  Yes, but practically speaking, China has almost no power at all to bother you if they successfully spy on you, aside of course from passing any secrets they learn from you to your Chinese competitors. The US, on the other hand, is where you're located (in this example) and can easily use any information gained against you in a large multitude of ways. Basically, everyone would probably be better off just assuming any network gear has backdoors open to the government of the country that it came from, then just adopting security policies to mitigate this, and buying network gear from countries that aren't their own.
solotronics 8y ago
Look no further than Tiananmen square to see the true face of communist China. They executed thousands of protesters with the military that day. Today they make dissenters disappear into a work camp prison and organ harvesting complex. I love the Chinese people and hope the government can change but they do not have a good human rights record.

drallison 8y ago

"They [Huawei] are a prime example of blatant intellectual property theft and backdoor spying for the Chinese intelligence apparatus." Can you cite evidence for this. Do you have direct personal evidence for this statement?

solotronics 8y ago
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/chinese-company-installed-secret-backdoor-on-hundreds-of-thousands-of-phones/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/chine... from Hayden the former head of the NSA: https://money.cnn.com/2013/07/19/news/huawei-china-spy/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2013/07/19/news/huawei-china-spy/index... also their code for routers was a direct copy of cisco IOS for years they didnt even try to hide it: https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-correcting-the-record https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-c...