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I still think the new gold standard for functional and extensible HTML templating is Enlive - people should look into this before coming up with variations of t

I still think the new gold standard for functional and extensible HTML templating is Enlive - people should look into this before coming up with variations of the same old wheel - https://github.com/cgrand/enlive https://github.com/cgrand/enlive

sgrove 16y ago
Enlive is awesome, I used it while working in clojure quite a bit. I definitely prefer it, personally, to something like Clojure's hiccup (which vana-templating is very similar to). The tradeoff is that new-comers who are already familiar with front-end design are going to find it tough to transition - it's a fundamental problem: do you optimize for the newcomer, or for the experienced developer? Enlive has a lot in common with Vekz' suggestion elsewhere in the comments, and I feel like there's some unifying theme underlying all of this, that should make it easy for newcomers, but allow experienced developers to transform the DOM programmatically. I'm searching for it now, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of false-starts and dead-ends, but the only sure way not to get there is to not try.
nomurrcy 16y ago
I agree completely. Enlive has really blown me away.
xtacy 16y ago
I think there's a difference: Enlive is meant to manipulate the DOM using familiar CSS/jQuery like selectors. The article however, is a way to _write_ the HTML in the first place. I've myself been using a declarative style HTML output engine that I wrote in Python. It's simple, easier, outputs correct HTML and it merges well with my workflow. I don't have to write HTML, nor JavaScript to programmatically generate what I need. It may sound naive, but I find myself comfortable indenting code in Python than write matching HTML tags. If there are errors, the Python code wouldn't run, but HTML code would still render, though it wouldn't be what I want. Relevant: http://code.google.com/p/zen-coding/ http://code.google.com/p/zen-coding/

sgrove 16y ago

Enlive is awesome, I used it while working in clojure quite a bit. I definitely prefer it, personally, to something like Clojure's hiccup (which vana-templating is very similar to). The tradeoff is that new-comers who are already familiar with front-end design are going to find it tough to transition - it's a fundamental problem: do you optimize for the newcomer, or for the experienced developer? Enlive has a lot in common with Vekz' suggestion elsewhere in the comments, and I feel like there's some unifying theme underlying all of this, that should make it easy for newcomers, but allow experienced developers to transform the DOM programmatically. I'm searching for it now, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of false-starts and dead-ends, but the only sure way not to get there is to not try.

nomurrcy 16y ago

I agree completely. Enlive has really blown me away.

xtacy 16y ago

I think there's a difference: Enlive is meant to manipulate the DOM using familiar CSS/jQuery like selectors. The article however, is a way to _write_ the HTML in the first place. I've myself been using a declarative style HTML output engine that I wrote in Python. It's simple, easier, outputs correct HTML and it merges well with my workflow. I don't have to write HTML, nor JavaScript to programmatically generate what I need. It may sound naive, but I find myself comfortable indenting code in Python than write matching HTML tags. If there are errors, the Python code wouldn't run, but HTML code would still render, though it wouldn't be what I want. Relevant: http://code.google.com/p/zen-coding/ http://code.google.com/p/zen-coding/