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Why is the HN echo chamber downvoting you? /s
by forgingahead 8y ago
Why is the HN echo chamber downvoting you? /s
- mcguire 8y agoBecause what mc32 is doing is a rather cheap rhetorical tactic: asserting that, when Mr. Trump says something I (for the appropriate I) like, he is to be believed, but when he says something unappealing or rediculous, he's joking. It's a relative of the "no true Scotsman". It's also a bit of a problem for a representative government, since it means you cannot take any of Trump's statements as a forecast of his policies.
- mc32 8y agoNot quite. Trump is problematic. While he has attempted to execute his campaign promises, getting there the road is littered with inconsistency, opportunism, reversal, and some fluidity. But, but people take him too literally in the minutiae. The goal may be literal, but the tactics in getting there are not, the supporting verbiage is not. Counterintuitively the "vision" may be. Like I said elsewhere, it's akin to the Dems "We'll abolish ICE". Some people will believe that literally, but it's not meant to be taken that way. They mean some reform and some policy changes. A redressing, but that's not what the base hears.
- mikeash 8y agoAre you sure “abolish ICE” is not meant to be taken literally? I’ve seen no indication of that and I sure thought it was literal. The only confusion I’ve seen is from people who think “abolish ICE” is equivalent to “end all border and immigration enforcement.”
- mc32 8y agoWell, now were' playing Trump's semantics, aren't we? It's not the INS, it's ICE. AS if they'll lay off 20k and then what? Nope. They may temper some things, do the dreamer things they promised, accommodate and redefine what refugee means (to include some poor economic migrants, but probably not rich economic migrants, etc.)
- mikeash 8y agoI don’t understand this response. What Trump’s semantics are we playing? Why is the idea an automatic “nope”?