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The people who want to leave the EU and not necessarily the same people pushing for this.

by mprev 8y ago

Ensorceled 8y ago
Actually they are very unlikely to be the same people.
- gutnor 8y ago
  They are the same people. The Brexit they sold to the working class and the Brexit the Brexiteer elite is dreaming of are 2 entirely different beasts. Since the vote has been thrown, the local population has largely been ignored. Their need at best a second thought in a grand political and cynical battle for power.
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kartan 8y ago
> The people who want to leave the EU and not necessarily the same people pushing for this. I think that you are right. But, why is not these kinds of topics part of the political discourse? It is elected officials the ones pushing for helping Saudis without first asking them to change their methods. Why is not the same people that do not want to be in the European Union because they are afraid of immigrants being more critical to this real threat to their country? So, citizens have removed "I am worried about inequality" and "I am worried about terrorism" that will make Saudis intervention part of the concerning trends from their thoughts. And they think just about "I am worried about immigration". Without realizing that ending immigration was never a goal. That racism and xenophobia were packaged for them as an easy solution that problems that nobody talks about. In engineering is important to state the problem to solve before discussing the solutions. Citizens of the UK talk about solutions, that are not real ones, without realizing that they miss the problem.
- 7952 8y ago
  People see the world through eyes blinded by nationalism. You can justify all kind of contradictory policy. If foreigners are all bad then it makes no difference if you support them not. And there is a natural respect for brutal power like you see in Saudi. And there is support for a brutal foreign policy for the same nationalist reason. If you dont like foreigners then why would you care about foreigners?
swebs 8y ago
Exactly. Brexit was decided by a popular vote, not a few political elite.

The people who want to leave the EU and not necessarily the same people pushing for this.

by mprev 8y ago

The people who want to leave the EU and not necessarily the same people pushing for this.

Ensorceled 8y ago

Actually they are very unlikely to be the same people.

gutnor 8y ago
They are the same people. The Brexit they sold to the working class and the Brexit the Brexiteer elite is dreaming of are 2 entirely different beasts. Since the vote has been thrown, the local population has largely been ignored. Their need at best a second thought in a grand political and cynical battle for power.

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kartan 8y ago

> The people who want to leave the EU and not necessarily the same people pushing for this. I think that you are right. But, why is not these kinds of topics part of the political discourse? It is elected officials the ones pushing for helping Saudis without first asking them to change their methods. Why is not the same people that do not want to be in the European Union because they are afraid of immigrants being more critical to this real threat to their country? So, citizens have removed "I am worried about inequality" and "I am worried about terrorism" that will make Saudis intervention part of the concerning trends from their thoughts. And they think just about "I am worried about immigration". Without realizing that ending immigration was never a goal. That racism and xenophobia were packaged for them as an easy solution that problems that nobody talks about. In engineering is important to state the problem to solve before discussing the solutions. Citizens of the UK talk about solutions, that are not real ones, without realizing that they miss the problem.

7952 8y ago
People see the world through eyes blinded by nationalism. You can justify all kind of contradictory policy. If foreigners are all bad then it makes no difference if you support them not. And there is a natural respect for brutal power like you see in Saudi. And there is support for a brutal foreign policy for the same nationalist reason. If you dont like foreigners then why would you care about foreigners?

swebs 8y ago

Exactly. Brexit was decided by a popular vote, not a few political elite.