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So general public will always use fb messanger / whatsup forever. Awesome. Signal is only atleast somehow secure app that regular people use because it has gre

So general public will always use fb messanger / whatsup forever. Awesome. Signal is only atleast somehow secure app that regular people use because it has great unified ux and just works. Just use Signal. Please

emptysongglass 8y ago
I refuse to use a messenger that is spearheaded by a man who adamantly refuses to participate in the wider FOSS community. Moxie only wants others to play by his rules.
m-p-3 8y ago
I might use it once it allows federated access, otherwise only WhisperSystem can control the fate of the protocol. I mean there are much worse company out there, but I don't want to put my eggs in the same proverbial basket.
mixedCase 8y ago
Yeah no way. WhatsApp already does e2e. Signal doesn't bring anything else that's significant for me as a techie, much less the general population. Matrix can replace Slack and the various mobile messengers, meaning there's a hook for companies as well. I don't think it's ready yet, but I'd rather be a condescending preachy asshole to my friends and family only when there's a very compelling reason.
- ForHackernews 8y ago
  Facebook ads: Coming soon to your WhatsApp conversations!
- tapoxi 8y ago
  "The perfect is the enemy of the good." Onboarding friends and family to Matrix or XMPP is almost impossible. Signal is dead simple and automatically discovers your contacts, while being secure, open, and developed by a non-profit. Ideally I'd like it to be a federated system, but I'm not going to use untrustworthy systems like Messenger/WhatsApp because I'm not getting every feature I want.
  - anoncake 8y ago
    Signal is not open. That's the problem. You are forced to use the official client.
    - omnimus 8y ago
      Thats also probably the main reason why it is sucessful. Everybody gets the same. They focus on one thing and don't delute it with funky in a year maintainer lost interest rust clients. I don't care. Give me ethical, privacy minded software not some phd experiments.
      - anoncake 8y ago
        You don't care about freedom, got it.
- technofiend 8y ago
  >Yeah no way. WhatsApp already does e2e. Signal doesn't bring anything else that's significant for me as a techie, much less the general population. You mean besides freeing them from the Facebook ecosystem? That alone is worth it to me.
- ric2b 8y ago
  Sure, WhatsApp does e2e encryption. Guess what company is also on both of those ends? If people could stop parroting this as if fucking Facebook was trustworthy, that'd be great.
wlesieutre 8y ago
"Great unified UX" does not include their Mac app unless there have been big changes since last time I tried it.
- leevlad 8y ago
  I'm not a heavy multimedia user, but Signal's Mac and iOS apps have been working wonderfully well for me and my friends.
- omnimus 8y ago
  You have to pardon me. By unified i meant mobile. I am not sure about state of desktop. I from time to time use mac app with no issues but Signal in my eyes is sms alternative.
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    It works OK, but it's no iMessage. I miss using Adium as my native Mac chat client for everything, alas AIM is dead and Google killed their Jabber interoperation.

emptysongglass 8y ago

I refuse to use a messenger that is spearheaded by a man who adamantly refuses to participate in the wider FOSS community. Moxie only wants others to play by his rules.

m-p-3 8y ago

I might use it once it allows federated access, otherwise only WhisperSystem can control the fate of the protocol. I mean there are much worse company out there, but I don't want to put my eggs in the same proverbial basket.

mixedCase 8y ago

Yeah no way. WhatsApp already does e2e. Signal doesn't bring anything else that's significant for me as a techie, much less the general population. Matrix can replace Slack and the various mobile messengers, meaning there's a hook for companies as well. I don't think it's ready yet, but I'd rather be a condescending preachy asshole to my friends and family only when there's a very compelling reason.

ForHackernews 8y ago
Facebook ads: Coming soon to your WhatsApp conversations!
tapoxi 8y ago
"The perfect is the enemy of the good." Onboarding friends and family to Matrix or XMPP is almost impossible. Signal is dead simple and automatically discovers your contacts, while being secure, open, and developed by a non-profit. Ideally I'd like it to be a federated system, but I'm not going to use untrustworthy systems like Messenger/WhatsApp because I'm not getting every feature I want.
- anoncake 8y ago
  Signal is not open. That's the problem. You are forced to use the official client.
  - omnimus 8y ago
    Thats also probably the main reason why it is sucessful. Everybody gets the same. They focus on one thing and don't delute it with funky in a year maintainer lost interest rust clients. I don't care. Give me ethical, privacy minded software not some phd experiments.
    - anoncake 8y ago
      You don't care about freedom, got it.
technofiend 8y ago
>Yeah no way. WhatsApp already does e2e. Signal doesn't bring anything else that's significant for me as a techie, much less the general population. You mean besides freeing them from the Facebook ecosystem? That alone is worth it to me.
ric2b 8y ago
Sure, WhatsApp does e2e encryption. Guess what company is also on both of those ends? If people could stop parroting this as if fucking Facebook was trustworthy, that'd be great.

wlesieutre 8y ago

"Great unified UX" does not include their Mac app unless there have been big changes since last time I tried it.

leevlad 8y ago
I'm not a heavy multimedia user, but Signal's Mac and iOS apps have been working wonderfully well for me and my friends.
omnimus 8y ago
You have to pardon me. By unified i meant mobile. I am not sure about state of desktop. I from time to time use mac app with no issues but Signal in my eyes is sms alternative.
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  It works OK, but it's no iMessage. I miss using Adium as my native Mac chat client for everything, alas AIM is dead and Google killed their Jabber interoperation.