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Nobody said they've used sophisticated attacks to get their hands into that data, though. Why would a Government agency risk burning a zero day if they can jus

Nobody said they've used sophisticated attacks to get their hands into that data, though. Why would a Government agency risk burning a zero day if they can just pay that lady or blackmail her with something else?

belorn 8y ago
>>> "Bezos apparently believes that he was hacked" Hacking implies a sophisticated attack. Not saying either government didn't do it. Following paxys line of thought I would however agree that hacking is not the most likely explanation in how the private data was taken. Social engineering is sometimes also described as an "hack" but I doubt that is what Bezos implies with the word.
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- leetcrew 8y ago
  > Hacking implies a sophisticated attack to you and me, yes. probably also to Jeff Bezos. but to the general public (arguably the real audience here), hacking is anything between guessing someones weak password and sophisticated attacks like stuxnet.
- CloudNetworking 8y ago
  > Hacking implies a sophisticated attack. Depends on the audience I guess. The big majority of hacks are not sophisticated at all. There's also so many people that use it without an implication on the grade of sophistication. But one thing is true, we can't possibly know for certain his intentions by using that word :-) so these are just our opinions for now :-)
deytempo 8y ago
Or they just wait until she leaves her phone unattended and clone it
- alasdair_ 8y ago
  This is harder than it seems nowadays (especially if you actually want to read the data you cloned later). As an example: consider the FBI pushing Apple to help them decrypt a terrorists phone from several years ago. They finally got in because the phone was a particularly old model without a secure enclave and (from memory) they ended up buying a 0day for a considerable sum to do it.

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Nobody said they've used sophisticated attacks to get their hands into that data, though. Why would a Government agency risk burning a zero day if they can jus

by CloudNetworking 8y ago

belorn 8y ago
>>> "Bezos apparently believes that he was hacked" Hacking implies a sophisticated attack. Not saying either government didn't do it. Following paxys line of thought I would however agree that hacking is not the most likely explanation in how the private data was taken. Social engineering is sometimes also described as an "hack" but I doubt that is what Bezos implies with the word.
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- leetcrew 8y ago
  > Hacking implies a sophisticated attack to you and me, yes. probably also to Jeff Bezos. but to the general public (arguably the real audience here), hacking is anything between guessing someones weak password and sophisticated attacks like stuxnet.
- CloudNetworking 8y ago
  > Hacking implies a sophisticated attack. Depends on the audience I guess. The big majority of hacks are not sophisticated at all. There's also so many people that use it without an implication on the grade of sophistication. But one thing is true, we can't possibly know for certain his intentions by using that word :-) so these are just our opinions for now :-)
deytempo 8y ago
Or they just wait until she leaves her phone unattended and clone it
- alasdair_ 8y ago
  This is harder than it seems nowadays (especially if you actually want to read the data you cloned later). As an example: consider the FBI pushing Apple to help them decrypt a terrorists phone from several years ago. They finally got in because the phone was a particularly old model without a secure enclave and (from memory) they ended up buying a 0day for a considerable sum to do it.