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There is a lot of misinformation and false choices. The ISP scaremongering seen here is not real and only serves to further entrench SV based global surveillanc

by throw2016 8y ago

There is a lot of misinformation and false choices. The ISP scaremongering seen here is not real and only serves to further entrench SV based global surveillance data collection unimpeded. An ISP is local, accountable to its customers and more important subject to local laws that can be enforced. An added benefit is ISPs cannot collect, collate and correlate vast amounts of global user data. This is a huge win for wider society. Compare that to unaccountable global organizations built on stalking and hoovering up every single piece of user data with zero regulation and subject to and support of their own home governments. With this already in play 'concern' with localized ISPs cannot be justified without first offering more immediacy and potent solutions to the larger global surveillance problem.

candiodari 8y ago
Here's the thing, right. SV global surveillance gets us better ads. Meanwhile, governments ("An ISP is local" - you've GOT to be joking) actually systematically damage people based on surveillance data. Try visiting Pakistan and then see how governments react to that country's stamp being in your passport. But it's hardly just that. Credit reports (are government mandated, and a monopoly, they are therefore government) really damage people. Police actions, "random" searches, ... And of course, heavy handed copyright enforcement. So we would be transfering DNS authority from entities, the SV companies, that have a VERY long history of not abusing that data, to entities, the governments that not only have a long history of abusing this data, but haven't even stopped doing so when caught with their hands in some cases literally torturing people. Governments' accountability is a JOKE, a sad, distasteful joke. I will not be counting on that, sorry. And there is nothing local about those local ISPs in any of the countries I use them. So: no thanks, given those choices, I'll take the Google/Cloudflare option, thank you very much.

candiodari 8y ago

Here's the thing, right. SV global surveillance gets us better ads. Meanwhile, governments ("An ISP is local" - you've GOT to be joking) actually systematically damage people based on surveillance data. Try visiting Pakistan and then see how governments react to that country's stamp being in your passport. But it's hardly just that. Credit reports (are government mandated, and a monopoly, they are therefore government) really damage people. Police actions, "random" searches, ... And of course, heavy handed copyright enforcement. So we would be transfering DNS authority from entities, the SV companies, that have a VERY long history of not abusing that data, to entities, the governments that not only have a long history of abusing this data, but haven't even stopped doing so when caught with their hands in some cases literally torturing people. Governments' accountability is a JOKE, a sad, distasteful joke. I will not be counting on that, sorry. And there is nothing local about those local ISPs in any of the countries I use them. So: no thanks, given those choices, I'll take the Google/Cloudflare option, thank you very much.