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Right. In HTTP on TCP over IP? Speaking "on" English doesn't seem so strange if we can talk over (i.e. through) the radio. And English gets so much less reaso

Right. In HTTP on TCP over IP? Speaking "on" English doesn't seem so strange if we can talk over (i.e. through) the radio. And English gets so much less reasonable. "Put up" is to house, "put down" is to insult, "put up with" is to suffer, "put through" is to test, "put around" is to spread, "put in" to contribute, "put out" to have sex or produce, "put over" either to delay or to decieve, "put past" to offer, "put on" to act or wear or present, "put off" to delay or dissuade, "put away" to tidy or eat or earn, "put aside" to save or to forgive, "put forth" to suggest, "put back" to replace.

Sharlin 8y ago
Yeah, phrasal verbs (verb-particle combinations) are almost entirely idiomatic. At least as a non-native learner, I've found it best to memorize them as units and not to even think about what the adposition would mean affixed to a noun, and that's how they were taught as well.
- aasasd 8y ago
  That's the only way to memorize them, since they constitute essentially new words, with distinct meanings―same as any idioms.
TulliusCicero 8y ago
> In HTTP on TCP over IP? I think I would use over for all of those. Is that wrong? And English phrasal verbs aren't really different from German verbs with separable prefixes. I agree though that it's one of the harder parts of the language.
- repsilat 8y ago
  > I think I would use over for all of those. Is that wrong? You're probably right, I should have tried harder to find a better example. The "on" doesn't sound too awkward to me, though, and I might say it just to avoid saying "over" three times in a row.
chousuke 8y ago
As a non-native speaker, over the radio makes sense to me because in that case the radio is the medium that carries your speech. It's "in" English because that's the "encoding" of your message. You would then transmit it possibly on a vehicle at some physical location. so... HTTP over TCP over IP sounds most natural to me, though I guess HTTP on TCP works too.
- aasasd 8y ago
  Of course they sorta make sense, people wouldn't use completely bogus prepositions (at least mostly wouldn't). They're still arbitrary, though: why is it not ‘with English’ and ‘with radio,’ since both denote usage? And, as previously said, other languages have chosen different prepositions: e.g. in Russian, both happen to use ‘по’, which means something like ‘sliding along’ or ‘moving on.’
repsilat 8y ago
(Ah dang, "put together" is to construct, "put out" also to extinguish, and to be put out is also to be disappointed... I'm not going to add to the list.)

Sharlin 8y ago

Yeah, phrasal verbs (verb-particle combinations) are almost entirely idiomatic. At least as a non-native learner, I've found it best to memorize them as units and not to even think about what the adposition would mean affixed to a noun, and that's how they were taught as well.

aasasd 8y ago
That's the only way to memorize them, since they constitute essentially new words, with distinct meanings―same as any idioms.

TulliusCicero 8y ago

> In HTTP on TCP over IP? I think I would use over for all of those. Is that wrong? And English phrasal verbs aren't really different from German verbs with separable prefixes. I agree though that it's one of the harder parts of the language.

repsilat 8y ago
> I think I would use over for all of those. Is that wrong? You're probably right, I should have tried harder to find a better example. The "on" doesn't sound too awkward to me, though, and I might say it just to avoid saying "over" three times in a row.

chousuke 8y ago

As a non-native speaker, over the radio makes sense to me because in that case the radio is the medium that carries your speech. It's "in" English because that's the "encoding" of your message. You would then transmit it possibly on a vehicle at some physical location. so... HTTP over TCP over IP sounds most natural to me, though I guess HTTP on TCP works too.

aasasd 8y ago
Of course they sorta make sense, people wouldn't use completely bogus prepositions (at least mostly wouldn't). They're still arbitrary, though: why is it not ‘with English’ and ‘with radio,’ since both denote usage? And, as previously said, other languages have chosen different prepositions: e.g. in Russian, both happen to use ‘по’, which means something like ‘sliding along’ or ‘moving on.’

repsilat 8y ago

(Ah dang, "put together" is to construct, "put out" also to extinguish, and to be put out is also to be disappointed... I'm not going to add to the list.)