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And... which jobs exactly have they have killed? All you have documented here is some company doubling the number of programmers since May, which sure as heck s

And... which jobs exactly have they have killed? All you have documented here is some company doubling the number of programmers since May, which sure as heck sounds like creating jobs to me. Some VC funded startup allegedly working with companies does not equal killing jobs with "AI." If this were really happening it would be real easy to document! The X industry is gone now. Like buggy whips. But it's not; it's science fiction. I know, I know, people _really_believe_ -that doesn't make it real. Numbers, people: name names, no anecdotes about the stories from people next to you in the WeWork or whatever the journalistic dipshits are releasing from a PR agency.

planktons 8y ago
You and your grandparent essentially say “it hasn’t happened yet.” Nobody said it’s happened. It’s going to happen.
- scottlocklin 8y ago
  Yeah, and "nanotech" is going to be a trillion dollar industry by 2015. Sorry "citations needed." Many people can assert things.
  - planktons 8y ago
    So you can’t reason about something that hasn’t happened yet. That’s your stance. You could throw any argument out the window this way.
    - scottlocklin 8y ago
      It's a really effective and accurate argument with good Brier score when it's deployed against marketing woo, which is all that "AI" is. I'm happy to place a long bet at whatever odds you like for whatever specific prediction you care to make if you want to put your money where your mouth is. Auger, "long now" whatever -I'm good for it.
    - dang 8y ago
      Would you please stop posting trollish comments to HN so we don't have to keep banning you?
      - planktons 8y ago
        So I’m banned? For what? How is anything I’ve said trollish? This is a joke right? Which part is trolling? AI is a threat to jobs? People respond to AI “alarmists” with character attacks and sarcasm? I genuinely do not get it. If banning me is such a horrible burden for you, you are free to email me so that we can discuss a solution.
        dang 8y ago
        We haven't banned this account, but we've banned previous accounts that I believe you've used. If you keep breaking the site guidelines, we're going to have to ban you again. I'd much rather you'd take the spirit of this site to heart. We're trying for something, as you know, that's a little bit better than internet default. That means posting civilly and substantively, with respect for others no matter how wrong they may be. When a comment is both low-information and personally negative, it becomes trollish almost regardless of topic. I think I read "So you can’t reason", etc., as personal, though looking at it now I see that you meant "you" in the sense of "one". Sorry! Nonetheless, you've posted such comments in the past, including recently (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19099603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19099603, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19110921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19110921), so the main request stands.
rboyd 8y ago
if RPA means robotic process automation then presumably these are lost manufacturing jobs?
ericol 8y ago
> And... which jobs exactly have they have killed? Unfortunately, I can't answer that question, because that's not that the people from the other company would discuss openly. I had a couple of chats with the CEO about this, and he mentioned briefly that this affected jobs with a high level of repetitive tasks (E.g., invoice processing and stuff). There was one process we kind of discussed at length enough as to answer this: In my country, it's normal for supermarkets to have 3rd party employees to take care of certain aisles that have only products from the 3rd party. The thing is, putting products in order there is a time consuming process, and obviously prone to error. The change would be, the employee would take a picture of the aisle once finished, send the picture to a service that would process it automatically and alert the employee before she left the supermarket if there was a problem or anything (Like, a product needing replacement or similar). > All you have documented here is some company doubling the number of programmers since May Yep, that's right. the downside of this, is that there are a lot of companies looking to automate processes that are time consuming, and that affects jobs directly. hat the company decides to do in the end regarding the people in those jobs is up to the complany obviously. Sorry about the late reply, thought.

planktons 8y ago

You and your grandparent essentially say “it hasn’t happened yet.” Nobody said it’s happened. It’s going to happen.

scottlocklin 8y ago
Yeah, and "nanotech" is going to be a trillion dollar industry by 2015. Sorry "citations needed." Many people can assert things.
- planktons 8y ago
  So you can’t reason about something that hasn’t happened yet. That’s your stance. You could throw any argument out the window this way.
  - scottlocklin 8y ago
    It's a really effective and accurate argument with good Brier score when it's deployed against marketing woo, which is all that "AI" is. I'm happy to place a long bet at whatever odds you like for whatever specific prediction you care to make if you want to put your money where your mouth is. Auger, "long now" whatever -I'm good for it.
  - dang 8y ago
    Would you please stop posting trollish comments to HN so we don't have to keep banning you?
    - planktons 8y ago
      So I’m banned? For what? How is anything I’ve said trollish? This is a joke right? Which part is trolling? AI is a threat to jobs? People respond to AI “alarmists” with character attacks and sarcasm? I genuinely do not get it. If banning me is such a horrible burden for you, you are free to email me so that we can discuss a solution.
      - dang 8y ago
        We haven't banned this account, but we've banned previous accounts that I believe you've used. If you keep breaking the site guidelines, we're going to have to ban you again. I'd much rather you'd take the spirit of this site to heart. We're trying for something, as you know, that's a little bit better than internet default. That means posting civilly and substantively, with respect for others no matter how wrong they may be. When a comment is both low-information and personally negative, it becomes trollish almost regardless of topic. I think I read "So you can’t reason", etc., as personal, though looking at it now I see that you meant "you" in the sense of "one". Sorry! Nonetheless, you've posted such comments in the past, including recently (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19099603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19099603, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19110921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19110921), so the main request stands.

rboyd 8y ago

if RPA means robotic process automation then presumably these are lost manufacturing jobs?

ericol 8y ago

> And... which jobs exactly have they have killed? Unfortunately, I can't answer that question, because that's not that the people from the other company would discuss openly. I had a couple of chats with the CEO about this, and he mentioned briefly that this affected jobs with a high level of repetitive tasks (E.g., invoice processing and stuff). There was one process we kind of discussed at length enough as to answer this: In my country, it's normal for supermarkets to have 3rd party employees to take care of certain aisles that have only products from the 3rd party. The thing is, putting products in order there is a time consuming process, and obviously prone to error. The change would be, the employee would take a picture of the aisle once finished, send the picture to a service that would process it automatically and alert the employee before she left the supermarket if there was a problem or anything (Like, a product needing replacement or similar). > All you have documented here is some company doubling the number of programmers since May Yep, that's right. the downside of this, is that there are a lot of companies looking to automate processes that are time consuming, and that affects jobs directly. hat the company decides to do in the end regarding the people in those jobs is up to the complany obviously. Sorry about the late reply, thought.