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A couples factors lead to this point: 1) Bootcamps teachers. From what I've seen, they are mostly React/js developers making living by things around that, book

A couples factors lead to this point: 1) Bootcamps teachers. From what I've seen, they are mostly React/js developers making living by things around that, books, courses. And most frontend technologies that are popular because big corps. 2) Big corp and developer mindset. Big corps have money and it's a big factor when developers pick up technology. 3) Javascript, the most low-barrier-to-entry and terrible at long term (They like the term "modern" so much) Therefore, javascript ecosystem spreads like virus to the point it's eating HTML and CSS too. Imagine the virus was for improving HTML (things like <details> <summary> <datalist> free autocomplete, are powerful, interactive with zero cost) .. unfortunately no one cares anymore so they stay half-ass Even myself now building a new app, I cannot bear "the platform" and pick compile-to-js lang for highly interactive widgets.

ratling 8y ago
Javascript gets begrudging respect from me because of node. I can see the appeal, you can take existing JS developers from 'wherever' that have good fundamentals and crosstrain to be able to do backend and frontend stuff. It's also got a lot of good builtin bits that older languages don't have natively. On top of this you could theoretically go full serverless with S3, API-Gateway, Lambda. I wouldn't choose to do that greenfield (python backend all the way, webassemblywhen?) but that's usually not my call. Really, whatever you use, I just care that you can hire for it (sorry Erlang) and that it's not Java (because, as someone who works in Operations and Security land, fuck Java and fuck Oracle).
- Existenceblinks 8y ago
  What pisses me off is when people defend javascript with politics-heavy statements like inclusion, gender or whatever and then most of rational people just shut up. Backend tech or non-javascript tech is not gatekeepers. New comers just enter the wrong gate led by wrong people (you know I don't really mean people..) About hiring, sure, I had to withdraw Elm implementation before I left a project. It's responsibility for what's good for them in hiring new folks. That's sad. My probably-never-came-true dream was that just improve HTML honestly. 1) Make controls style-able 2) Make more controls I hate to look like a jerk, but I say it again, big corps are significantly part of this problem. People just pick React and abandon everything.

ratling 8y ago

Javascript gets begrudging respect from me because of node. I can see the appeal, you can take existing JS developers from 'wherever' that have good fundamentals and crosstrain to be able to do backend and frontend stuff. It's also got a lot of good builtin bits that older languages don't have natively. On top of this you could theoretically go full serverless with S3, API-Gateway, Lambda. I wouldn't choose to do that greenfield (python backend all the way, webassemblywhen?) but that's usually not my call. Really, whatever you use, I just care that you can hire for it (sorry Erlang) and that it's not Java (because, as someone who works in Operations and Security land, fuck Java and fuck Oracle).

Existenceblinks 8y ago
What pisses me off is when people defend javascript with politics-heavy statements like inclusion, gender or whatever and then most of rational people just shut up. Backend tech or non-javascript tech is not gatekeepers. New comers just enter the wrong gate led by wrong people (you know I don't really mean people..) About hiring, sure, I had to withdraw Elm implementation before I left a project. It's responsibility for what's good for them in hiring new folks. That's sad. My probably-never-came-true dream was that just improve HTML honestly. 1) Make controls style-able 2) Make more controls I hate to look like a jerk, but I say it again, big corps are significantly part of this problem. People just pick React and abandon everything.