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I guess I'm not sure exactly what her point is, or who she's mad at exactly. If there are vanishing entry points, it's what the market is demanding: more compl

I guess I'm not sure exactly what her point is, or who she's mad at exactly. If there are vanishing entry points, it's what the market is demanding: more complex applications that look and feel like the big players. Single page checkout flows. Client side form validation. Who wants to have to post a form, wait for the page to reload to see that you've missed a required field? > If we make it so that you have to understand programming to even start Not sure who is the "we" that she's referring to here. Nobody is actively "making it" anything, it is just the changes in people's and companies' expectations as technology develops.

commandlinefan 8y ago
She's longing for the "good old days" when web development was easier to learn, but AFAIC the good old days were 15 years before that when the "entry point" was C64 basic and there was no world-wide web. I would have written something similar in 1999 when I saw everybody goofing off with HTML and CSS and having important things like ASCII codes and memory allocation hidden from them.
dictum 8y ago
> or who she's mad at exactly This bit makes me think you got her point, but you didn't want to acknowledge it.
AdeptusAquinas 8y ago
Not sure what apps you are talking about. The modern web loads immediately, then slowly snaps in user controls and buttons. Instead of pressing something and having an immediate response, now you press a button and if you are lucky, the lazy javascript developer who wrote it remembered to add a loading symbol. And you are usually not lucky.
- function_seven 8y ago
  +1. My browser already has a progress indicator baked into it. Thank God those lazy JS developers move all the heavy lifting to a secret place where I can't see what's going on. My progress indicator indicates fast progress these days!
rimliu 8y ago
I am not so sure about "complex applications". More often than not I see sparrows being shot at with a canon. Some web site which is not even an application, but loading megabytes of JS just to show 200 bytes of information. For some reason they call this PWA. Except all already forgot what was supposed to mean.

commandlinefan 8y ago

She's longing for the "good old days" when web development was easier to learn, but AFAIC the good old days were 15 years before that when the "entry point" was C64 basic and there was no world-wide web. I would have written something similar in 1999 when I saw everybody goofing off with HTML and CSS and having important things like ASCII codes and memory allocation hidden from them.

dictum 8y ago

> or who she's mad at exactly This bit makes me think you got her point, but you didn't want to acknowledge it.

AdeptusAquinas 8y ago

Not sure what apps you are talking about. The modern web loads immediately, then slowly snaps in user controls and buttons. Instead of pressing something and having an immediate response, now you press a button and if you are lucky, the lazy javascript developer who wrote it remembered to add a loading symbol. And you are usually not lucky.

function_seven 8y ago
+1. My browser already has a progress indicator baked into it. Thank God those lazy JS developers move all the heavy lifting to a secret place where I can't see what's going on. My progress indicator indicates fast progress these days!

rimliu 8y ago

I am not so sure about "complex applications". More often than not I see sparrows being shot at with a canon. Some web site which is not even an application, but loading megabytes of JS just to show 200 bytes of information. For some reason they call this PWA. Except all already forgot what was supposed to mean.